"Terrorist attack" thwarted in NYC

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BROOKLYN, NY—Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis (Nafis), 21, was arrested this morning in downtown Manhattan after he allegedly attempted to detonate what he believed to be a 1,000-pound bomb at the New York Federal Reserve Bank on Liberty Street in lower Manhattan’s financial district. The defendant faces charges of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to provide material support to al
Qaeda.

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During the investigation, Nafis came into contact with an FBI undercover agent who posed as an al Qaeda facilitator. At Nafis’ request, the undercover agent supplied Nafis with 20 50-pound bags of purported explosives. Nafis then allegedly worked to store the material and assemble the explosive device for his attack. Nafis purchased components for the bomb’s detonator and conducted surveillance for his attack on multiple occasions in New York City’s financial district in lower Manhattan. Throughout his interactions with the undercover agent, Nafis repeatedly asserted that the plan was his own and was the reason he had come to the United States.

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Summary: a moron in NYC that aspired to be an al-Qaeda terrorist was sold fake bomb parts by undercover FBI agents and then arrested him after he tried to use it. So there was no terrorist plan, there was no bomb, there was no threat, there was no fanatic Muslim sleeper cell. There was, however, a really stupid guy in NY that just got entrapped by the FBI.

In before Bloomberg/Obama/Panetta/Napolitano/Mueller claims to have stopped another 9/11
 
Well, at least we certainly agree about this. If nothing else, the informant who talked him into it and the undercover FBI agent who supplied him the bogus parts deserve at least the same sentence he will likely receive for directly planning, aiding, and abetting a terrorist act.
 
Good thing this guy got in touch with the FBI rather than the real deal, otherwise Obama's approval ratings would hit 90%.
 
Good thing this guy got in touch with the FBI rather than the real deal, otherwise Obama's approval ratings would hit 90%.

No, no, no, that's not how it works. A terrorist attack during a Republican administration unites the country against its enemies. A terrorist attack during a Democratic administration is proof of the Dems' "soft on terror" tendencies, remember?

But anyway, to what extent were the FBI enablers in this instance? Was he already planning the attack and looking for bombs on his own? Or was he only planning this because the FBI was selling? I'm not sure what to think of this, except that it seems either way, a fellow who intended to launch a terrorist attack was caught.
 
There was, however, a really stupid guy in NY that just got entrapped by the FBI.

Entrapment is usually an impossible defense to establish. You would have to prove that the crime was something you would never have done without the government inducing it. There are basically 3 conditions (1) The idea for the crime came from the govt (2) The government induced or persuaded you into doing so (3) You were not willing to commit the crime before your contact with the govt. All 3 conditions need to be met for the entrapment defense. Like I said, usually impossible because it's hard as hell to establish (1) and (3)

In this case he was ready and willing to break the law while the FBI merely provided an opportunity to commit the crime. Therefore no entrapment. It's the same as when a govt agent goes and buys some coke at a drug meet as an undercover and then arrests everyone.
 
We should have let the terrorist blow himself up before we arrested him.
 
I think we, as a society, have an interest in discouraging stupidity. This may, and often does, establish itself through penalties for committing stupid acts. Whether or not these penalties should be criminal is another question, but I think it is fair to say that the population generally agrees that there are are acts of stupidity that represent a sufficient danger to the general population that such acts should be punished through the criminal system.
 
Summary: a moron in NYC that aspired to be an al-Qaeda terrorist was sold fake bomb parts by undercover FBI agents and then arrested him after he tried to use it. So there was no terrorist plan, there was no bomb, there was no threat, there was no fanatic Muslim sleeper cell. There was, however, a really stupid guy in NY that just got entrapped by the FBI.

In before Bloomberg/Obama/Panetta/Napolitano/Mueller claims to have stopped another 9/11

What? He wanted to blow up a bank and you defending him? :rolleyes:
 
What? He wanted to blow up a bank and you defending him? :rolleyes:

The guy arrested was an al-queda sympathizer, so it's an FBI entrapment or an idiot who couldn't have blown up a wet paper bag without the FBI's help.

Now if he was a right wing extremist then it would be a different story and the FBI would be portrayed as heroes for catching the guy.
 
While it is good this guy was caught before he could do anything, I have never been all that comfortable with the idea of entrapment.
 
It seems like he came to the US with the intent to commit the crime, so I don't think it qualifies as entrapment.

He was just crazy unlucky when it comes to picking partners in crime.
 
The guy arrested was an al-queda sympathizer, so it's an FBI entrapment or an idiot who couldn't have blown up a wet paper bag without the FBI's help.

Now if he was a right wing extremist then it would be a different story and the FBI would be portrayed as heroes for catching the guy.

No it is not. Stop defending the guy.
 
It seems like he came to the US with the intent to commit the crime, so I don't think it qualifies as entrapment.

He was just crazy unlucky when it comes to picking partners in crime.

I wouldn't say it's entrapment. But it's safe to say the guy would have never committed any crime if not for the FBI. Because he simply wouldn't have had the know how to create a bomb himself.

It's like the FBI is aiding and abetting a crime. If we are pretending this guy's crime is real, then shouldn't the FBI be charged with a aiding and abetting? :)
 
This is not a commentary on US laws or how this individual should be punished under US law.

The FBI should never have pretended to sell him 20 50 lb bags of explosives. At that point they should have made themselves known to him and, depending on status, deported him or informed him that they would be keeping a close watch on him from now on and that because of his attempts to obtain a large quantity of explosives, judges would not hesitate to permit very close levels of surveillance.
 
What? He wanted to blow up a bank and you defending him? :rolleyes:

You're an admitted bigot and want most of humanity to die to environmental disasters, you're not defending him? :rolleyes:

I'm not defending him per se. He wanted to bomb a bank, that makes him a Bad Person. What I'm criticizing is the FBI's methods and the politics behind it.

This is not a commentary on US laws or how this individual should be punished under US law.

The FBI should never have pretended to sell him 20 50 lb bags of explosives. At that point they should have made themselves known to him and, depending on status, deported him or informed him that they would be keeping a close watch on him from now on and that because of his attempts to obtain a large quantity of explosives, judges would not hesitate to permit very close levels of surveillance.

Basically this. He had intent to do harm, but there was really no point at all to selling him fake explosives in order to get him to try to be a terrorist (and hence be arrested for attempted mass murder).

It's entrapment because we don't put people in prison because they want to be a bad person. Prison is for criminals, people who actually commit crimes. He wouldn't have attempted to bomb the bank if the FBI didn't sell him explosives.

I mean, look at it this way; if he had contacted real terrorists, then his incompetence would've allowed the FBI to catch a handful more of them. What we have right now is just a juicy headline at the expense of an imbecile.
 
Basically this. He had intent to do harm, but there was really no point at all to selling him fake explosives in order to get him to try to be a terrorist (and hence be arrested for attempted mass murder).

It's entrapment because we don't put people in prison because they want to be a bad person. Prison is for criminals, people who actually commit crimes. He wouldn't have attempted to bomb the bank if the FBI didn't sell him explosives.

I mean, look at it this way; if he had contacted real terrorists, then his incompetence would've allowed the FBI to catch a handful more of them. What we have right now is just a juicy headline at the expense of an imbecile.

Do people not read my posts or something? I explained why its not entrapment, every other idiot who walks into the firm I worked at cries about how they've been entrapped, cries about double jeopardy or their Constitutional rights have been violated. That's almost never the case and attorneys rarely ever make that defense because it hard as hell and usually never applies anyway. People have weird conceptions of the law for some reason things like entrapment, double jeopardy, and insanity have permeated pop culture for a reason I don't quite understand (it sounds sexy?) but people's conceptions of what those entail are wrong.

Finally if we accept that entrapment is this broad notion then it effectively makes preventative policing impossible.

It's entrapment because we don't put people in prison because they want to be a bad person. Prison is for criminals, people who actually commit crimes. He wouldn't have attempted to bomb the bank if the FBI didn't sell him explosives.

This isn't quite true. We punish conspiracy, attempt and solicitation. Though at what point it becomes that is always questionable. Lets say I decide to kill my boss and form the intent in my head.

I drive to his house and wait outside. I get arrested but I have no weapons on me. Attempt?

I drive to the gun store and buy a gun. Then I go back home. I get arrested. Attempt?

I drive to the gun store, buy the gun, go to his house, and then I change my mind and as I'm turning my car to leave I get arrested. Attempt?

I drive to the gun store, buy a gun, and break into my bosses house at which point I get arrested, attempt?

I call a friend and ask for his help in killing my boss. He doesn't respond but neither does he call the police or attempt to dissuade me so I take his silence as affirmation at which point I gather the materials and get arrested. Conspiracy?

I call a friend and ask for his help in killing my boss. He says yes and assists me in gathering the materials. At which point he changes his mind and informs the police and I get arrested. Conspiracy?

I send a letter to a friend asking for help to kill my boss, but I accidentally sent it to someone else and my friend never see's it. Instead this other person see's it and informs the police and I get arrested. Solicitation?

Finally our situation. I contact my friend and ask for his help to kill my boss. He says yes and helps me gather the material. Unbeknownst to me he's an undercover cop and provides me with a faulty gun that doesn't fire. I get arrested. Conspiracy?

Entrapment is usually an impossible defense to establish. You would have to prove that the crime was something you would never have done without the government inducing it. There are basically 3 conditions (1) The idea for the crime came from the govt (2) The government induced or persuaded you into doing so (3) You were not willing to commit the crime before your contact with the govt. All 3 conditions need to be met for the entrapment defense. Like I said, usually impossible because it's hard as hell to establish (1) and (3)

In this case he was ready and willing to break the law while the FBI merely provided an opportunity to commit the crime. Therefore no entrapment. It's the same as when a govt agent goes and buys some coke at a drug meet as an undercover and then arrests everyone.
 
. He wouldn't have attempted to bomb the bank if the FBI didn't sell him explosives.

By demonstrating his willingness to purchase explosives to commit a terrorist attack, would it be reasonable to believe that he'd try other ways to acquire bombs if the FBI didn't sell him fake stuff?
 
Nafis, a Bangladeshi national, traveled to the United States in January 2012 for the purpose of conducting a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Nafis, who reported having overseas connections to al Qaeda, attempted to recruit individuals to form a terrorist cell inside the United States. Nafis also actively sought out al Qaeda contacts within the United States to assist him in carrying out an attack. Unbeknownst to Nafis, one of the individuals he attempted to recruit was actually a source for the FBI.

That is, in no way, entrapment. Thank God it was an FBI source, otherwise we may have had a major terrorist attack, again, in NYC. He traveled here and sought out people for the sole purpose of executing this planned attack of his.

You want entrapment? That would be Randy Weaver who repeatedly told ATF agents that he would not modify a shotgun for them until he finally got tired of their insistence and agreed to shorten the barrel. And he lost his wife over it. That's the government going over the line into entrapment. This... not so much, as in not at all.
 
So, here is a story about a foiled terrorist attack involving a "weapon of mass destruction" which turns out to be (a) fake, (b) effectively planted in the alleged suspect's hands by a US Government agency and (c) not really a WMD in the widely-understood sense of the term (i.e. a nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon). This story emerges just after a close second presidential debate and about three weeks before the US election. Pretty serendipitous timing...
 
Don't forget chemical. NBC: Nuclear, biological, chemical. But yeah, I don't get the WMD part of it either.
 
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