"Terrorist attack" thwarted in NYC

[ace99]

Why do conspiracy theorists and terrorist apologists always seem to accompany each other?

 

[Gatsby]

Don't forget chemical. NBC: Nuclear, biological, chemical. But yeah, I don't get the WMD part of it either.

I guess it's "technically" a WMD because it meets some arbitrarily defined government criteria, e.g. explosives exceeding a certain mass.

 

[Antilogic]

By demonstrating his willingness to purchase explosives to commit a terrorist attack, would it be reasonable to believe that he'd try other ways to acquire bombs if the FBI didn't sell him fake stuff?

Would have been great if the FBI didn't give him the explosives, he found a real source of explosives, then the FBI busted them both at the same time.

More risky though, because then the FBI wasn't making sure that nobody could actually get hurt (since they used fake bombs).

 

[Gatsby]

Why do conspiracy theorists and terrorist apologists always seem to accompany each other?

Why do people so willingly swallow anything the mass media/government press releases tell them without even the slightest bit of scrutiny? Especially when certain parties clearly have motive and means to be flexible with the truth?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, at least we certainly agree about this. If nothing else, the informant who talked him into it and the undercover FBI agent who supplied him the bogus parts deserve at least the same sentence he will likely receive for directly planning, aiding, and abetting a terrorist act.

Agreed. In fact, the "Terrorist" shouldn't be sentenced. Entrapment should not be tolerated.

 

[bhsup]

Nobody talked this person into anything. He traveled to the USA for the sole purpose of blowing us up. He sought out people to assist him in this. Luckily one of the people he found was associated with the FBI, or we'd probably have some dead people in NYC now.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Someone should sting the stingers by pretending to be a radical Muslim by making ambiguous comments on an internet site. Then videotaping the informant and FBI agents who try to talk him into committing terrorist acts.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Nobody talked this person into anything. He traveled to the USA for the sole purpose of blowing us up. He sought out people to assist him in this. Luckily one of the people he found was associated with the FBI, or we'd probably have some dead people in NYC now.

Maybe I didn't read carefully enough.

I took a law enforcement class so I really should remember what the rules on entrapment are here. I don't remember what they are.

Morally speaking, if the cop sought him out he's guilty regardless of anything else.

If the other guy came up to the cop, the cop should be in the clear.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Nobody talked this person into anything. He traveled to the USA for the sole purpose of blowing us up. He sought out people to assist him in this. Luckily one of the people he found was associated with the FBI, or we'd probably have some dead people in NYC now.

You mean he duped his dad into spending his life's savings to send him to the US to receive an education while actually plotting all the time to bring jihad to the infidels?

Family shocked at Bangladesh man's arrest in NY terror bomb plot Family shocked by Bangladeshi's bomb plot arrest

The Al Qaeda wanna-be accused of plotting to bomb the Manhattan Federal Reserve building came from a middle-class Bangladeshi family that spent its last dime sending him to the U.S.

Suspect Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis was taking English classes at a Manhattan school in the days before his Wednesday arrest as a would-be terrorist.

He stopped showing up for classes at the ASA Institute of Business and Computer Technology on Tuesday — the day before he was busted. Nafis was pursuing a computer programming major.

TNafis arrived in the U.S. in January on a student visa after convincing his dad that a degree from an American college would help lead to success in their homeland.

“I spent all my savings to send him to America,” Ahsanullah said. “I can’t believe he could be part of it.”

Every single "terrorism" act but two since 9/11 have been FBI stings where they talked the people into committing them. It isn't "luck" at all.

 

[bhsup]

Feel really sorry for the parents, being deceived like that. It must be gut wrenching to learn your child is a terrorist

 

[Yeekim]

Summary: a moron in NYC that aspired to be an al-Qaeda terrorist was sold fake bomb parts by undercover FBI agents and then arrested him after he tried to use it. So there was no terrorist plan, there was no bomb, there was no threat, there was no fanatic Muslim sleeper cell. There was, however, a really stupid guy in NY that just got entrapped by the FBI.

In before Bloomberg/Obama/Panetta/Napolitano/Mueller claims to have stopped another 9/11

1) As ace99 has convincingly explained - not an entrapment.
2) What exactly makes you say he was "really stupid"? The fact that he could be outsmarted by FBI?
3) Mass murder isn't shoplifting a bottle of booze. That's not something any normal person gets "talked into". Considering previous point as well, there is no way anyone can honestly claim that putting this guy away didn't remove a threat to society.
4) A lot of comments in this thread, including your OP, make me feel like Americans desperately want another 911 attack to happen. I'd have difficulties feeling sorry, should that come to pass.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Agreed. In fact, the "Terrorist" shouldn't be sentenced. Entrapment should not be tolerated.

As I said, we should have waited until he blew himself up to arrest him. That way we would have had proof he was a terrorist because of all his blood on his hands.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Just think if the FBI targeted and entrapped JDL members in the US in a similar manner.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Good thing this guy got in touch with the FBI rather than the real deal, otherwise Obama's approval ratings would hit 90%.

Only if Obama invades two random countries which are not of the nationality of the terrorist and allies the the US with the said terrorist country instead.

I hear Iran has a lot of oil.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Just think if the FBI targeted and entrapped JDL members in the US in a similar manner.

Just because I'm Jewish I'm supposed to support anything with Judaism in the title?

I've never even heard of this group before, and going by their intro on Wikipedia the FBI describes them as "terrorists", as well as heavy criticism of the group by the ADL and SPLC. So yes, if the JDL decided to blow up the federal reserve, and began buying weapons and explosives to do so, I would really like it if those explosives ended up being duds due to an FBI sting.

 

[GhostWriter16]

3) Mass murder isn't shoplifting a bottle of booze. That's not something any normal person gets "talked into". Considering previous point as well, there is no way anyone can honestly claim that putting this guy away didn't remove a threat to society.

You are right that there's something seriously wrong if you get talked into crap like that. At the same time, the FBI has no right to try to get you to break the law and then lock you up for it.

As I said, we should have waited until he blew himself up to arrest him. That way we would have had proof he was a terrorist because of all his blood on his hands.

How is a dead guy getting arrested?

Only if Obama invades two random countries which are not of the nationality of the terrorist and allies the the US with the said terrorist country instead.

I hear Iran has a lot of oil.

I don't agree with either war, but Afghanistan had at least sort of a legitimate basis (Iraq was 100% irrelevant and therefore dumb.)

 

[MobBoss]

Someone should sting the stingers by pretending to be a radical Muslim by making ambiguous comments on an internet site. Then videotaping the informant and FBI agents who try to talk him into committing terrorist acts.

Go for it Form. You can write a blog on your experience doing it.

But i'm not surprised in the least that you come away from this thinking the FBI are the bad guys in all this. Not surprised at all.

 

[Joecoolyo]

How is a dead guy getting arrested?

Nailed it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

But i'm not surprised in the least that you come away from this thinking the FBI are the bad guys in all this. Not surprised at all.

And I'm not surprised that you apparently find nothing morally repugnant about stings where much of the time the informant is the actual perpetrator of the crime. "Not surprised at all."

 

[MobBoss]

Yeah, i'm not all that upset that we got another wannabe terrorist off the streets.

Nafis was allegedly bent on killing as many Americans as possible.

“I don’t want something that’s like small. I just want something big,” Nafis, 21, told an undercover agent during a recorded August meeting in Central Park.

“Something very big. Very very very very big, that will shake the whole country . . . that will make us one step closer to run the whole world. I want to do something that brothers coming after us can be inspired by us.”

The al Qaeda-obsessed terrorist also recorded a video addressed to Americans right before he tried to detonate the bomb.

“We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom,” he said in the video, in which he covered his face, wore sunglasses and disguised his voice.

Yeah, totally its all the FBI's fault. Totally.