"Terrorist attack" thwarted in NYC

I'm not the one speculating here, Form. That would be you.
That is exactly what VRWCAgent was doing, and that is exactly what you are doing as well by claiming his speculation is likely true. If not, then provide proof that it must be true.

OTOH my intense dislike of governmental stings are well-founded and are shared by many judges and human rights organizations:

Documents provide rare insight into FBI’s terrorism stings

Days before his arrest in Pittsburgh last month, Khalifa Ali al-Akili posted a remarkable message on his Facebook page: A mysterious man who spoke often of jihad had tried to interest Akili in buying a gun, then later introduced him to a second man, whom Akili was assured was “all about the struggle.”

It smelled, Akili wrote on Facebook, like a setup.

“I had a feeling that I had just played out a part in some Hollywood movie where I had just been introduced to the leader of a ‘terrorist’ sleeper cell,” Akili wrote.

When he googled a phone number provided by the second man, it turned out to be to Shahed Hussain, one of the FBI’s most prolific and controversial informants for terrorism cases. Soon the sting was off; Akili was subsequently arrested on gun — not terrorism — charges, which he has denied.

It was a rare miss for Hussain, 55, who has played a wealthy, dapper member of a Pakistani terrorist group in several FBI operations over nearly a decade.

This role has inflamed Muslim and civil rights activists, who describe Hussain as an “agent provocateur,” and prompted harsh comments from the presiding judge in a 2010 case, who questioned his honesty and the aggressiveness of the FBI’s tactics.

“I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition,” said U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon at the sentencing of four men from Newburgh, N.Y., convicted on terrorism charges. She added, “That does not mean there was no crime.”

Hussain declined to speak about his work for the FBI, saying in a brief phone interview, “I can’t say anything for security reasons.” The FBI declined to discuss Hussain or McMahon’s comments.

But the blown Pittsburgh sting and the voluminous court records from the 2010 case have provided rare insight into a tactic used increasingly by the FBI since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in which suspects are monitored almost from the beginning of plots and provided with means to help them carry them out. The targets in such stings have included Washington’s Metro subway system, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.

There have been 138 terrorism or national security cases involving informants since 2001, and 51 of those have come over the past three years, according to the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School in New York. The center said the government secured convictions in 91 percent of those cases.

Law enforcement officials say stings are a vital tactic for heading off terrorism. But civil rights activists and others say the FBI has been identifying individuals with radical views who, despite brash talk, might have little ability to launch attacks without the government’s help.


“It almost seems like the government is creating a theatrical event that produces more fear in the community,” said Michael German, a senior policy counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union and a former FBI agent who worked undercover.

Yet in these terrorism stings, every attempted defense that has alleged entrapment by the government has failed, according to Fordham’s Center on National Security. The FBI said that record speaks volumes and rejected any suggestion that it has invented terrorist plots. “They present the idea,” FBI spokesman Kathleen Wright said of the targets of investigations. “It is not us coming up with these ideas.”

Officials said the subjects of these stings are the ones who first generate suspicion — by contacting terrorists overseas, attempting to secure weapons or speaking of a desire to commit violence.

One of the prosecutors in the 2010 case, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason Halperin, said in court that confidential informants such as Hussain are an “important tool” for the FBI. “Mr. Hussain is Pakistani. He speaks Urdu. He speaks Pashto. He’s Muslim. He can read Arabic,” Halperin said. “All of these things make Mr. Hussain a very valuable asset for the FBI.”

The birth of an asset

In testimony for the 2010 terrorism case, for which Hussain appeared as a witness for the prosecution, he described himself as a member of a politically connected family in Pakistan who fled to the United States with his wife and children after he was falsely accused of murder during a government crackdown against the secular MQM party. He arrived on a fake British passport in 1994, Hussain testified.

In the years since, his relatives in Pakistan have transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars to him, allowing him and his family to acquire gas stations, a beverage center and a motel in Upstate New York, according to financial records produced in court. He also testified that former Pakistan prime minister Benazir Bhutto, during a trip to New York, gave his son $40,000 to buy a new car, but the judge, McMahon, questioned the veracity of the claim.

It was not the only time McMahon expressed doubts about Hussain’s honesty.

“By the end of the trial, the jury knew that Hussain had lied about his finances to at least two courts (the Northern District of New York and the Northern District Bankruptcy Court), lied to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, lied to the Town of Colonie and its school district about his residence, lied to potential customers of his motel, and lied to the IRS about his income at tax time,” wrote McMahon.


In late 2001, Hussain was arrested on federal fraud charges of helping immigrants illegally secure driver’s licenses. Hussain, who had been working as a translator for the Department of Motor Vehicles, faced a possible prison term and deportation to Pakistan. He pleaded guilty and, as part of his agreement with the government, cooperated with the FBI by going undercover to secure evidence against several former associates in the scheme, including his mistress.

Hussain excelled in this new role — a fact grudgingly accepted even by his detractors.

“Both his physical and emotional presence seemed impervious to chastisement, to exposure, to anything — nothing seemed to throw his casual defiance off course,” said Karen Greenberg, the director of Fordham’s Center on National Security, who has observed Hussain in court.

The bureau also has sent Hussain to London and Pakistan, where he infiltrated a terrorist training camp, according to court testimony.

In the summer of 2003, Hussain first adopted the persona of the suave, moneyed terrorist at the direction of the FBI. The object of the sting was Yassin Aref, an Iraqi Kurd and the spiritual leader of an Albany mosque.

Aref was convicted of participating in a plot to launder funds from the sale of a shoulder-fired missile. Aref’s attorneys said he simply saw what he thought was a loan between Hussain and the owner of a struggling pizza parlor who was also convicted. Aref and the owner of the pizza parlor were sentenced to 15 years in prison.

The informant at work

On another assignment for the FBI, Hussain went to Newburgh’s Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque 12 times before he met James Cromitie, a convert to Islam and a stocker at a Wal-Mart, in June 2008.

In a poor community, Hussain struck an odd figure, driving Hummers and BMWs and wearing designer clothes.

Salahuddin Muhammad, imam of the mosque, said in an interview that some people suspected that Hussain was an FBI informant. He was too eager to engage people in conversation about jihad, Muhammad said.

Cromitie, who attended the mosque infrequently, either didn’t hear of the suspicions of others or didn’t care.

Hussain later told the FBI that Cromitie said: “Look, brother, I might have done a lot of sin, but to die like a shaded (martyr), I will go to paradise . . . I want to do something to America.”

By July, Hussain had told Cromitie he was part of a Pakistani terrorist group. Cromitie, who had multiple drug convictions but no history of violence, said he wanted to join, according to the FBI’s debriefing of the informant.

During a November 2008 trip to Philadelphia with Hussain, which coincided with the terrorist attacks on several locations in Mumbai, India, Cromitie made some of his most incendiary statements.

Cromitie hadn’t heard of the attacks, but Hussain pointed out that one of the targets in Mumbai was a Jewish center, according to transcripts of conversations that were secretly recorded and later played in court.

“I’d like to get a synagogue,” Cromitie said.

The judge later noted in a finding of fact that “whenever Hussain asked Cromitie to act on those sentiments — make a plan, pick a target, find recruits, introduce the [confidential informant] to like-minded brothers, procure guns and conduct surveillance — Cromitie did none of the above.”

McMahon said that at this point Hussain began to add “more worldly inducements” to the “offer of paradise” beginning with a BMW “but only after Cromitie had completed a mission.”


Closing the net

Hussain left for Pakistan on Dec. 18, 2008, and didn’t return to the United States for two months. While he was away, the FBI briefed officials at Stewart International Airport in New York on the investigation but assured them that “Cromitie was unlikely to commit an act without the support of the FBI source.”

Indeed, Cromitie said, “I just dropped everything,” according to the transcript of the conversation. But when Hussain returned, Cromitie’s enthusiasm was rekindled.

McMahon later wrote that “the court believes and specifically finds that it was about this time when Hussain offered Cromitie as much as a quarter million dollars to participate in a mission.”

Such an offer was not authorized by the FBI, the prosecutor told the court. Hussain denied making it, saying the reference to a specific amount of money was not intended to be literal. McMahon, in her sentencing, said she did not believe him.

After a surveillance drive around Stewart Air National Guard Base on Feb. 24, 2009, Cromitie cut off communication with Hussain for six weeks, he later testified. Cromitie pretended to have left town, although he was still in Newburgh.

On April 5, Cromitie called Hussain. “I have to try to make some money, brother,” Cromitie said.


“I told you. I can make you $250,000, but you don’t want it, brother. What can I tell you,” Hussain said.

Cromitie soon was back in.

On May 20, 2009, Hussain, Cromitie and three associates drove south from Newburgh carrying three duffel bags, each stuffed with nearly 40 pounds of explosives and 500 steel ball bearings to maximize casualties at a synagogue and a Jewish community center in the Bronx. After bombing them, the men planned to double back north to Stewart Air National Guard base near Newburgh to launch a stinger missile at parked military planes.

But the FBI had provided the bombs and the missile and had rendered them harmless.

All four Newburgh men were later convicted on terrorism charges in a jury trial and sentenced to 25 years in prison. They have appealed.

On the final drive to the Bronx, Hussain tried to get Cromitie to prime the bombs by following his instructions on which wires to connect, Hussain testified. But Cromitie and the others couldn’t figure it out, and Hussain had to stop the car and do it himself.

When they got to the Bronx, Hussain had to explain how to operate a car key fob so Cromitie could open the first of the pre-parked cars and plant the bomb.

Afterward, Hussain asked him if he had turned the bomb on. “I forgot,” Cromitie replied.


Hussain told him not to worry, it could still be detonated.

Cromitie then set off to plant the other two bombs, but he couldn’t open the trunk of the next car. Hussain told Cromitie by walkie-talkie to just put them in the back seat.

Hussain then signaled for the FBI to move in.
So who are the real villains and terrorist leaders in these particular cases? The known liar and criminal who literally prodded them into committing the acts, or the people who would have likely done nothing if it hadn't been for the apparent fact that the "government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition"?
 
That is exactly what VRWCAgent was doing, and that is exactly what you are doing as well by claiming his speculation is likely true.
It's what you've been doing since your very first post in this thread and without the evidence that you demand of others to back up your assertion that this guy was entrapped.
 
I think Formaldehyde has every right to be skeptical to the point of obnoxiousness. It may very well be that this is a genuine, amazing counter-terrorism operation on the part of the FBI but neither they nor the CIA have earned the instant benefit of the doubt. I'd rather obnoxiously insult the FBI than obnoxiously defend it.
 
So, let me get this right. The FBI will do everything to help some one prepare for a terrorist attack right up to the point of them actually carrying it out?

So, will the FBI eventually go that extra mile and carry out the whole thing themselves?

I think this might very well prove to be a crucial step in the fight against terrorism. Think how many people they could get convicted. The possibilities are virtually limitless.
 
That is exactly what VRWCAgent was doing, and that is exactly what you are doing as well by claiming his speculation is likely true. If not, then provide proof that it must be true.

OTOH my intense dislike of governmental stings are well-founded and are shared by many judges and human rights organizations:

Documents provide rare insight into FBI’s terrorism stings

So who are the real villains and terrorist leaders in these particular cases? The known liar and criminal who literally prodded them into committing the acts, or the people who would have likely done nothing if it hadn't been for the apparent fact that the "government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition"?

I don't know, maybe its the people who aren't part of the government operation to catch terrorists helping complete terrorist acts? Its seems pretty easy for me to not participate in any way to commit murder and mayhem.

Seriously are half you guys in this thread only not committing crimes because you are too lazy?
 
So, let me get this right. The FBI will do everything to help some one prepare for a terrorist attack right up to the point of them actually carrying it out?

So, will the FBI eventually go that extra mile and carry out the whole thing themselves?

I think this might very well prove to be a crucial step in the fight against terrorism. Think how many people they could get convicted. The possibilities are virtually limitless.

Well why not. The Feds handed out guns to drug cartels and then complained about how easy it is for them to get guns.
 
It's what you've been doing since your very first post in this thread and without the evidence that you demand of others to back up your assertion that this guy was entrapped.
So you are again actually complaining about me doing exactly what you and others have also been doing in this thread? The entire premise of the OP is based on speculation. The difference is that I am not insinuating it must be true. That all but two of the over 100 terrorism cases in the US since 9/11 have been similar stings, many of which have been made by quite dubious informants.

Seriously are half you guys in this thread only not committing crimes because you are too lazy?
I think I already made the obvious quite clear enough.

Granted, the proper response would be for the person to go to the authorities instead of going along with it.
"Seriously", has anybody claimed anything of the sort in this thread? Does the word "entrapment" mean anything at all to you?
 
"Seriously", has anybody claimed anything of the sort in this thread? Does the word "entrapment" mean anything at all to you?
Does it mean anything to you? From earlier in the thread:
There are basically 3 conditions [to claim entrapment] (1) The idea for the crime came from the govt (2) The government induced or persuaded you into doing so (3) You were not willing to commit the crime before your contact with the govt. All 3 conditions need to be met for the entrapment defense.
 
That is exactly what VRWCAgent was doing, and that is exactly what you are doing as well by claiming his speculation is likely true. If not, then provide proof that it must be true.

Forma, what I stated was what the FBI claimed as fact. Forgive me if I am going to believe the FBI over a terrorist bent on blowing us up. The FBI states as fact that he came here with the intent to perform a terrorist act on American soil, which leads to the obvious conclusion that, yes, he did indeed lie to his parents.
 
Forma, what I stated was what the FBI claimed as fact. Forgive me if I am going to believe the FBI over a terrorist bent on blowing us up. The FBI states as fact that he came here with the intent to perform a terrorist act on American soil, which leads to the obvious conclusion that, yes, he did indeed lie to his parents.
Did you believe the government's Iraq wmd claims as fact?
 
Someone should sting the stingers by pretending to be a radical Muslim by making ambiguous comments on an internet site. Then videotaping the informant and FBI agents who try to talk him into committing terrorist acts.

I'll let you do that. I don't need our fascist FBI planting something on me.

Personally, I'd like to see the FBI disbanded along with the ATF.
 
Forma, what I stated was what the FBI claimed as fact. Forgive me if I am going to believe the FBI over a terrorist bent on blowing us up. The FBI states as fact that he came here with the intent to perform a terrorist act on American soil, which leads to the obvious conclusion that, yes, he did indeed lie to his parents.
That statement was missing from any news source I read about this topic until this morning. I wonder what actual evidence they have of this, especially given his comments to an 54-year-old Army veteran, who was a classmate in Missouri and had lengthy discussions with him, that true Muslims don't believe in violence.

ST. LOUIS (AP) — A former college classmate of a Bangladeshi man accused in a foiled car bomb attack on New York City's Federal Reserve said Thursday the allegations don't square with the peace-talking student he befriended and routinely gave rides home from class.

Jim Dow said he was shocked to learn of 21-year-old Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis' arrest Wednesday during an FBI terror sting in New York, just a few months after Nafis left Southeast Missouri State University after attending only the spring semester, having shared a physics class with Dow.

A law enforcement official, who talked to The Associated Press on Thursday on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation, said Nafis is believed to have initially considered targeting President Barack Obama and the New York City Stock Exchange before settling on attacking the Federal Reserve. That plot unraveled when Nafir wasn't aware the 1,000-pound bomb he tried to detonate was bogus.

Investigators said Nafis admired Osama bin Laden and arrived in the U.S. in January on a student visa and attended Southeast Missouri State in Cape Girardeau, a 38,000-resident Mississippi River city about 100 miles south of St. Louis.

Remembering Nafis as "a little on the shy side," Dow said Nafis seldom interacted with other students outside of the physics class they took.

"He was actually a pretty good student — he understood the topic pretty well," Dow, 54, told the AP on Thursday.

Nafis, who Dow gave rides home twice a week, never intimated or displayed violent tendencies or thoughts, instead coming across as "real religious," Dow said.

Since Nafis' arrest, "what really shocked me the most was he had specifically spoken to me about true Muslims not believing in violence,"
said Dow, an Army veteran who's now a junior studying sustainable energy management. "He told me he didn't really believe bin Laden was involved in (the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks) because he said bin Laden was a religious man, and a religious man wouldn't have done something like that.

"I do know he thought really highly of Osama bin Laden, and that he told me he didn't think bin Laden would have done something like that" attack on the Pentagon and New York City's Twin Towers.

Nafis, who gave Dow a copy of the Quran and asked that he read and respect that holy book, "told me things like that Muslims believed that Jesus was a prophet the same as (Islam's) Muhammed. And that he just he just didn't believe Jesus' words had been passed down correctly but Muhammed's were," Dow said.

Nafis "never said anything that was angry or mean. He didn't rant or rave or say crazy stuff," Dow said. "I liked him."

When Dow no longer saw Nafis on the 11,700-student campus after the spring semester, he assumed Nafis returned to Bangladesh because "he talked like he was homesick." The university said in a statement Thursday it transferred Nafis' academic records over the summer to an unspecified Brooklyn, N.Y., institution.

Dow said he was listening to a national TV network's news program Wednesday night while working on his computer when he heard a reference to the alleged terror plot targeting New York's Federal Reserve, glanced up and saw a courtroom sketch of the suspect.

"It went through my head that, 'Gee, that looks like Quazi,'" said Dow, whose suspicions were confirmed when the report mentioned Nafis attended Southeast Missouri State, then showed a photograph of him.

"I'm shocked — I don't know what more to say about that," Dow added. "I didn't just meet this kid a couple of times. We talked quite a bit, sir, and this doesn't seem to be in character."

Southeast Missouri State's president, Kenneth Dobbins, wrote in a letter Thursday to the university's faculty, staff and students that the FBI has assured him that no one at the school was in danger, and that "Southeast was never a target of terrorism."
So Nafis came here with the sole intent of committing a terrorist act, but he attended a small college in Missouri which was "never a target of terrorism" according to the very same FBI. Hmmm.
 
The intent of the moron was to kill innocents.

You don't have to be smart to kill innocents, you just have to be able to use certain tools correctly one time.

I don't think that trying to weed these guys out through investigation is a bad idea... The entrapment thing... it's a double edged sword. However, when the motivation is simply to kill innocents, I say it is ok to stop them via entrapment.

The FBI probably caught onto him because he was blabbing about wanting to kill, and someone dropped the dime on him (likely a muslim himself, for the record).

What worries me are the smarter guys who keep to themselves... until they act.
 
It certainly doesn't sound like he came to a small Missouri college to kill thousands of infidels to me, or apparently to the FBI. YMMV.
 
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