The 65-Civ Mod!

[OblivionOdyssey]

Looks promising. How's the release date coming on?

 

[Red Door]

Pretty badly, it's hard with school.

 

[Rinus4]

please look at my post at page 18 thank you

 

[Red Door]

I did, what was the point of it?

 

[Rinus4]

To help with chosing empires which country's are Empires or not

 

[LadyTetsu]

To help with chosing empires which country's are Empires or not

Not that I can put words into *anyone* else's mouth, but I think the decisions have been finalized as to which civs are in or out for this version.

Maybe a new thread would suit this type of discussion? Because, for real, these sorts of questions can be argued ad infinitum with never a clear answer. Me, being half Ukrainian, I naturally think ingame Eastern Europe should be totally dominated by Kievan Rus' and the Byzantines. . . that's right, everybody get out your crucifix, pysanky, and Khmelnytsky portrait! But time constraints being what they are, you can't make everybody happy all of the time when somebody's trying to actually make a workable mod. . . But I'm an utter lurker and completely unknown. Someone out there with a better-known name wanna fire up a new discussion thread?

 

[Red Door]

Yes, the final choies are set and Malacca Empire is being replaced with Vietnam again.
And Holland was one of the first ones in.

 

[Peter Deprez]

Rinus, I don't think you got your facts 100% right...

When England Defeated France.
The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg makes a Guild, We known as United Kingdom Of The Netherlands
But heaten in a Cultureal and Relgionel War, Dutch and Belgium People dislike each other, 15 Years later in a Big War, Belgium brokes with The Netherlands.
And in 1830 Belgium is officialy a Country. Luxemburg also. and in 1944 The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg Makes a Economical pact we known as The BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg)

This part is fairly accurate. Except that you make it sound as if the Belgians chose to be united with the Netherlands. Other countries decided that it would be so... And that there was no independence war, merely a few riots.

"Belgae was a Guild/Verbond (Dutch word) of Peoples and a Germanen, Franken and Lost Roman Soldiers. this comes because of the Big People moving in Between the 3th and 5th Century. many Years later, The Germanen and Franken are in Wars with the Angels and Saks, and they Make the Country Belgie/Belgium. (The Angels and Saks moves to England. and yes the Angelic Religion is of the Angels/Angelen)
But there is really happen with Belgea is very Strange, because there is not so many Written about.

This part is a lot less accurate. The name Belgae is first mentioned for the Gaul and Frank tribes in our region by Roman emperor Julius Caesar, but then not mentioned again for ages. In time, a number of feudal states were created where Belgium is now, which were united by the Burgundians. They changed rulers several times then, but still the word Belgium (or anything similar) was never mentioned, until they ended up with Holland after Napoleon had been defeated 1815. Then in 1830, the southern 10 provinces (well, nine, because Luxembourg wasn't one of them) revolted because they blamed the Dutch rule for the poor economy. Belgium was born, and so was the Dutch-favoured Luxembourg. That's why Luxembourg has the same flag as the Netherlands (except for the different shade of blue).

This concludes today's history lesson

 

[salty mud]

So is this released yet?

 

[Red Door]

How many times do I have to tell you guys,
NO, It's Not Released Yet!

 

[Tabris]

Put this NO, IT's NOT RELEASED YET in the first post, so if somebody post again he must have a problem with his eyes

 

[Red Door]

Done and done.

 

[Elta]

How many times do I have to tell you guys,
NO, It's Not Released Yet!

so Is it Released yet?

 

[Red Door]

Yeah, check post number 44.

 

[Peter Deprez]

Yeah, check post number 44.

Post #44:

I don't want to hog the thread, but I had to respond to Head Serf:

They survived for 30,000 or so years in some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet. They also occupied a rather large chunk of land. They really should be in.

This reminds me: I forgot to list my favorite civ from my own civ pack for Civ III: The Inuit. They survived in places where Europeans died off (ie Greenland, where the Vikings failed to hold on) and while they've never had a united polity, their culture circles much of the globe (albeit in areas around the Arctic Circle). I'd love to see Nunavut or some other Inuit civ.

I would agree with some of this, but my impression is that they were selected because they fill an otherwise empty geographic niche on the map. I could be wrong on this.

Then you know nothing of North Africa, since they're a majority there, with a long history of confrontation with the state. They were a true nomadic civ, with immense range.

I think a Hawaiin leader should be in the Polynesian civ. Hawaii is culturally part of Polynesia.

Had an immense effect on central Africa before colonization. Still exercises an immense influence, having recently been the battlefield for "Africa's First World War" with dense networks of alliances on both sides. Oh, and it's huge and fills a geographic niche. As for "primitive" natives, I think someone's been watching too much Tarzan and reading too litttle real anthropology or political science.

Look up Malagasy. My goodness, can't you even be bothered to consult Wikipedia or some similarly pre-digested research? Interestingly, there's substantial evidence of "Polynesian" settlement of Madagascar!

Now what's there to see?
doesn't tell me anything about the release

By the way hw is the mod coming along? there's been no news for over a month. I'm getting a bit worried... I wouldn't want to miss this piece of work for the world.

 

[Red Door]

It is delayed for the moment...
Age of Civilizations is number 1 on the priority list.

 

[coachlentz]

here's one with over 100 total civs:

http://www.3ddownloads.com/Strategy/Civilization 4/Mods/All_Civs

be warned, it's about 165 mb

 

[rabi_sultan]

well whenever its finished it'll be great to play.

Now I wish to state my opinion on why the Mughals should be included in this in place of both India and Pakistan who both do not deserve to be there.

Why?

It's simple, if you dig far enough back in history the Mughals were the ones who introduced the food, culture and lifestyle into that region by coming over the Khyber pass and conquering that area. They were the ones who developed the Urdu language so that it could be spoken throughout their mercenary army. Because it was a warrior's language it basically borrowed on a lot of different languages, thus in order to make it more poetic once it became a cultural language they introduced a lot of persian in it.

In any case the empire stretched throughout the subcontinent consuming Pakistan, India, Nepal and Bangladesh - not sure about Sri Lanka. Anyway, they were the ones responsible for much of the culture etc like i said. Then one of their leaders (an idiot might I add) called Aurungzeb (spelling is way off btw) became an extremist, religion wise, and in short started to pick on a particular race of people in that region. These would soon known to become Sikhism as their main religious leader was in fact a muslim to begin with! (most will deny this but its a fact, but i'm sure he converted later).

In any case the British invaded and because that leader had pissed everyone off the Mughals had a price on their head and everyone wanted a piece of it. Thus they were pushed underground by their own people for their own survival. So when the British left India they had no royalty to hand the country back to, in this case it would have been the Muslim Mughals, so instead they lost it in the courts to Gandhi, a Hindu himself, and on the basis of this Jinnah, being Muslim, was able to swing Pakistan into the mix.

So as you can see both India and Pakistan are a direct byproduct of the Mughals, neither have advanced in anything and both have benefited from the things left behind by the previous empire. Why Fireaxis have put India instead of Mughal and then put Karachi as one of the main cities is baffling.

 

[Figaro]

Well its difficult to decide with these. As many have pointed out, most of the civilizations in the game are ofshoots/descendants from other ones. Considering Gandhi has been leader of India since Civ1 I think I assume the Indians they are refering to in the game represent modern India - sure they're descended from the Mughals, but if you follow that argument to its logical conclusion then there would be no Americans (descendants from European setters), English (German invaders mixed with native Celts) and so on...

The Civs chosen in the original game are from a wide sweep of history, not exclusively ones from before 0 AD or whenever. So having India and Pakistan is reasonable enough because today, at least, they are certainly considered very different.

There's no reason not to have India, Pakistan AND the Mughals of course.

The one thing to avoid though is something like happened in Civ3 with China, when the Unique Unit was a Mongol Rider and one of the great leaders was Kublai Khan - basically multipule civilizations combining together.

 

[heat332]

wat about the 18 civ