The All Leaders Challenge Game Bullpen

[Cabledawg]

I will put in a vote for an advanced start game. It is part of the game now and it would be cool to see you try it. Depending on how you use it, it could make an immortal game a tad easier.....by that I mean, if an immortal game is at difficulty 10 , then an advanced start immortal game would be at difficulty 9.8.

 

[tycoonist]

frankly, if the strategy doesn't work on immortal, i just don't want to hear it.

 

[tycoonist]

I will put in a vote for an advanced start game. It is part of the game now and it would be cool to see you try it. Depending on how you use it, it could make an immortal game a tad easier.....by that I mean, if an immortal game is at difficulty 10 , then an advanced start immortal game would be at difficulty 9.8.

advanced start is practically cheating

 

[PaulusIII]

Hammurabi is one of the strongest (perhaps even the strongest!) leaders when it comes to early war. Extra power for axemen and the ability to quickly whip courthouses in the conquered territory, plus a strong, cheap defensive unit to keep out barbs and eventual counterattackers.

So, yes. Play Hammurabi on Immortal because he's got an excellent early rush.

 

[Lord Parkin]

The problem with Hammy's UU isn't so much that it's defensive--there are uses for those, or so the Protective fans tell me--it's that its bonus is versus a military unit which the AI disdains in favour of mounted ones. I'm just starting to get into multiplayer games, and I'm thinking Bowmen are probably very strong there, since human players love melee units so much. Ironically, though, against the AI, I don't think they're as useful.

You're absolutely right - Bowmen are hugely more useful in multiplayer games. Basically, you don't even think about an early rush of a human player who is using Hammurabi. You just avoid him and try your luck somewhere else until the ancient age has passed.

I'll be interested to read how Hammurabi's ALC goes (if that's who you're doing next).

 

[slobberinbear]

... it likely would have been a domination win with SEALs taking down the last targets and malls keeping the oppressive war weariness at bay.

Civ imitating life in America, circa 2008 ...

 

[kazapp]

Well, yeah, unless that happens...

Better add Hatty manually to the next game...

 

[Bandobras Took]

Oddly enough, Hammurabi will use his traits, etc. no matter the difficulty level, so I have no concern there.

What one might consider is trying to generate a health-resource poor map so that the UB comes in a bit more handy.

 

[madscientist]

Oddly enough, Hammurabi will use his traits, etc. no matter the difficulty level, so I have no concern there.

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This is my thinking. The Bablylonian UU and UB will be used the same amount regardless of the game difficulty. The American UU/UB are sort of the exceptions because they come late.

Sis seams to be at an in-between difficulty level, emperor/Immortal. The question really is whether Hammarabi is considered a top level leader, average, or low-level. I consider him top level, average at worse. In the hands of Sis's capable military style/preference I think he's definitely top. If Sis were more of a builder/pacifist he would be average.

So I vote for Immortal.

 

[Bandobras Took]

Actually, the earlier Barbarians come, the more that UU will increase in importance, to my way of thinking.

 

[PaulusIII]

Actually, the earlier Barbarians come, the more that UU will increase in importance, to my way of thinking.

True. Having the Bowman around makes it much easier to deal with barbarians without having to rush to strategic resources.

 

[oyzar]

If hamurabi is next there is no reason to play anything other than immortal given that both his traits are great given sisiutils style of play..

 

[r_rolo1]

I think that S man should not play this in emperor. I strongly feel that he would steamroll the AI with a Agg/Org civ in Emperor ( the traits of the vanilla toku ) and that would not be neither entertaining or educational.

He proofed himself well in last ALC on Immortal. I think he can cope well this one in that level.

 

[oyzar]

I think he will have a hard time ultilizing the UU personally but the traits are good and the UB is very nice...

 

[CivCorpse]

I think he will have a hard time ultilizing the UU personally but the traits are good and the UB is very nice...

Trying to base a strategy around an archer UU @ immortal is just suicidal most of the time.

 

[CivCorpse]

frankly, if the strategy doesn't work on immortal, i just don't want to hear it.

The close your eyes. The vast majority of this forum play below immortal

 

[tycoonist]

The close your eyes. The vasy majority of this forum play below immortal

last time i checked, you use ears for hearing

the vast majority of members play below monarch. this game is about getting better IMO not finding different ways to abuse a UU or UB.

 

[CivCorpse]

last time i checked, you use ears for hearing

the vast majority of members play below monarch. this game is about getting better IMO not finding different ways to abuse a UU or UB.

Some people live near nuclear power plants and have developed extra senses

 

[Bandobras Took]

last time i checked, you use ears for hearing

the vast majority of members play below monarch. this game is about getting better IMO not finding different ways to abuse a UU or UB.

Most people can't tell the difference.

 

[madscientist]

The close your eyes. The vasy majority of this forum play below immortal

Your spelling is slipping.