The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't know how you do this.

Top left on the page, just above the stickies.

 

[Agent327]

Genesis does not clash with any proven scientific facts, just theories.

Since Genesis doesn´t present any scientific theories, that´s a given.

However, if people extrapolate from the Torah/OT that Earth is 6,000 years old, then it´s a different matter.

Whose a believer?

Most people are. They believe in an idea - or set of ideas - that is ultimately unproven.

 

[Traitorfish]

It seems that most atheists don't understand it in exactly the same way. rjosephhoffman seems to be condescending and yet greatly lacking in the understanding of basic scientific knowledge from these two articles. Perhaps being deliberately rude and obnoxious while showing general ignorance of the subject matter at hand is a new school of philosophical thought?

And so I find myself asking for a third time, do you actually have any criticism of the philosophical content of the article, rather than reproachful complaints about the tone in which it was written?

It just so happens to be the perfect thread for the evolutionists to hammer in how stupid us Christians are, however (Thanks Kochman for a bit of humor)

I wasn't aware that those were mutually exclusive categories?

 

[Flying Pig]

Perhaps being deliberately rude and obnoxious while showing general ignorance of the subject matter at hand is a new school of philosophical thought?

Nothing new!

 

[Leoreth]

Seems like Darwin would have described himself as agnostic, gradually more so as he got older.

Same paragraph also claims that Darwin didn't see himself as an atheist, so apparently he's an agnostic Christian.

I didn't say he should or shouldn't do anything. In fact, if you didn't already know I disagreed with Darwin, that one post should not be seen as proof of the fact.

Fortunately your disagreement means very little.

Why is revelations commonly considered metaphorical, yet not genesis?

Because Revelations is inconvenient. Genesis on the other hand, lets you claim the Truth (tm).

It just so happens to be the perfect thread for the evolutionists to hammer in how stupid us Christians are, however (Thanks Kochman for a bit of humor)

Nope, if anything, it's about scientists hammering in how stupid pseudoscientists like creationists are. Most Christians are not creationists.

 

[Borachio]

Top left on the page, just above the stickies.

Yeah, but then you have to write some learned OP or other. And don't you have to get clearance or something? I just don't have the confidence/experience to make a good job of this.

 

[Borachio]

Diogenes
Socrates? uh?

edit: 5. Wittgenstein Proposition 7: Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent.

 

[jtb1127]

Genesis does not clash with any proven scientific facts, just theories.

I scientific theory is one that is supported with evidence. Unlike an account of the early years written in a certain book some people on this forum like to read.

@ jtb 1127, I am not saying that merely opposing my beliefs is hateful, it's the way some people do it. It's so annoying when an Atheist says "ignorant Christians, so stupid, how coulld they possibly still believe their foolish, outdated, religion".

Would it be hateful to say the same about Democrats? As I've said previously, religion should not be treated differently than political beliefs.

That is what I hate.

So you hate it when people hate your opinion? What about theirs?

Also, people have this idea in their minds that Christians have it so easy and are always oppressing other people (especially homosexuals). Whenever a certain poster we all know the name of posts the 200th thread about anti-gay discrimination he is praised as promoting civil rights. Every time I talk about persecution of Christians (which anti-gay persecution doesn't compare to) I have an agenda.

That's because Christians, and many other religious groups, are persecuting homosexuals and they're using their religion to justify it. And then when we, those who care about Civil Rights, point out one of the #1 sources of discrimination, we are called hateful! The right comes and declares that there is a war on religion!

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Yeah, but then you have to write some learned OP or other. And don't you have to get clearance or something? I just don't have the confidence/experience to make a good job of this.

Click on my user name , check out my threads and the underwhelming response . This should provide an instant confidence boost in terms of what you can achieve . I have set the bar nice and low for you

 

[aelf]

Since I just asked what he thought was pathetic, and you said that you were the repressed one, I can only assume that you are either an assumer, going out of this thread for information, or you are repressed. I am just chatting in a thread that has more than anything else just gave me a good laugh. I agree that the bashing and reveling in the bashing is pathetic. I am not sure where the thread is heading right now, but up to that point I was trying to get a little more info on a particular post. Technically though only the bashing of Christians is the topic so not sure why I am even replying to this post.

facepalm

wat wat?
I thought this was obvious. It's blindingly obvious to me, but perhaps I'm mistaken. One gets to be a professor by studying some particular subject really hard for a very long time. Have you ever heard of anyone setting out to be a Professor? A Professor of what? In what way do I have this wrong?

In that I didn't specifically mention ambition. Yeah, ambition is part of it - not to be a professor per se, but to accomplish things that would get you there. But there are obviously other criteria that people can fail to meet, such as perseverance or a certain level of intellectual capability. It's also, as with most things, partly a question of being in the right place at the right time.

I'm honestly puzzled why, amongst all the myriad things that make people professors, you choose to talk about ambition like you know better than me about what it takes to become a professor. I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject, but I'm pretty positive that your religious affiliation doesn't really matter if you don't make an ass out of yourself - that was my main point.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, but then you have to write some learned OP or other. And don't you have to get clearance or something? I just don't have the confidence/experience to make a good job of this.

You greatly overestimate the CFC-OT. No clearance needed and only one way to get experience.

Don't do it if you're uncomfortable though, no pressure, it's no big deal.

 

[Borachio]

Click on my user name , check out my threads and the underwhelming response . This should provide an instant confidence boost in terms of what you can achieve . I have set the bar nice and low for you

rugby! I used to love watching the 5/6 nations - when I had a TV.

like you know better than me about what it takes to become a professor. I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject, but I'm pretty positive that your religious affiliation doesn't really matter if you don't make an ass out of yourself - that was my main point.

I am sorry. Raising your hackles was not my intention. Your rather abrupt "wat" raised mine a little.

You greatly overestimate the CFC-OT. No clearance needed and only one way to get experience.

Don't do it if you're uncomfortable though, no pressure, it's no big deal.

Hmmm.

6. No rule is more important than another and no rule is cast in stone , apart from rule 6?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I want a new religion. None of the ones I've looked at fit me.

Can I/we start a new religion? Is it legal? Can we claim charitable status? (I'm expecting stationary expenses)

I want a religion:
1. that excludes no-one.
2. is simple and easy to understand
3. promotes the sum total of human happiness

Can we still have pancakes on pancake day, please?

There is such religion and its called universal love or love of God.

4. Everyone is responsible for his or her own actions. No third party who operates behind the screens and is to be credited with positive outcomes, but remains blameless in case of negative ones.

If God is all there realy is then there is no third or second party. In fact then there is no problem at all.

Most people are. They believe in an idea - or set of ideas - that is ultimately unproven.

I for instance strongly believe that I will survive the day before I get up in the morning.
You can believe ideas ,ideals, feelings, instincts, intuitions and many other things. There is virtualy no one who doesnt cultivate faith in one way or the other...

 

[Borachio]

There is such religion and its called universal love or love of God.


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Ah, but do they have pancakes on pancake day?

 

[timtofly]

There is such religion and its called universal love or love of God.


If God is all there realy is then there is no third or second party. In fact then there is no problem at all.


I for instance strongly believe that I will survive the day before I get up in the morning.
You can believe ideas ,ideals, feelings, instincts, intuitions and many other things. There is virtualy no one who doesnt cultivate faith in one way or the other...

I am pretty sure that the hypothesis is that Christians ruined that love for the rest of those in their sphere of influence. But to blame the whole of humanities loss on Christians is a little over reaching.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Ah, but do they have pancakes on pancake day?

if its Gods will...

 

[classical_hero]

Since Genesis doesn´t present any scientific theories, that´s a given.

However, if people extrapolate from the Torah/OT that Earth is 6,000 years old, then it´s a different matter.



Most people are. They believe in an idea - or set of ideas - that is ultimately unproven.

A simple addition of the ages in the genealogies roughly give a number close to 600 years from present. You have to be blind not to see that

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I am pretty sure that the hypothesis is that Christians ruined that love for the rest of those in their sphere of influence. But to blame the whole of humanities loss on Christians is a little over reaching.

Its not only a Christians who have had quite pathetic contribution in spiritual field its valid for the rest of the mankind as well. But then again somebody like Christ or some other pure and mature soul can "buy" us some more time...
Another thing you have to consider that there are forces who work in opposition to any spiritual development. Its not an easy task.

 

[Borachio]

OP:

People!

erm..

 

[Traitorfish]

A simple addition of the ages in the genealogies roughly give a number close to 600 years from present. You have to be blind not to see that

Out of interest, is this something that you've ever undertaken personally? I'm told that there have been numerous different results ranging from six to twelve thousand years old, depending on how the text is interpreted, so it would be interesting to know if there's any reason why you nail your colours to this particular mast.