The Clique, and other greivances

[Loppan Torkel]

So, 90% of CFC-OT?

It's only to be expected with such a homogeneous top.

Spoiler :

Seriously, I think the clique was worse some years ago. The main difference between the left wing and the rest (the moderates), is the supporting choir of the left. ..and of course, I don't open certain topics any more, or enter that many discussions either. That could influence my perception too...

 

[MobBoss]

Of course this is a Clique in CFCOT. It was called the Permanent Infraction Point club. Membership was exclusive. Haven't been around as much so I don't know if that's still a thing or not....

 

[JollyRoger]

Don't out our secret clique Mobby.

 

[jackelgull]

Again as a high schooler I feel obliged to ask this, but what does everyone define a clique as, because it seems people don't realize how they work. People in a clique are free to disagree with each other, just not vehemently or in any way that might disrupt the harmony of the clique. A clique also requires time to build. Constant contact in a set location for years.

They are mobile- people are free to leave and enter, as long as they adopt the mindset of the clique. And finally, they require some sort of social pressure. Some concept of, I better watch what I say, I should censure myself. These forums don't have that social pressure, that exists in high school. I can say that I have seen certain posts of mine and I wonder why it seems so much meaner than what I would say in real life. Also, when people disagree with me, I don't feel hurt because I don't really care what they say about me. Of course I have not actually roused anyone's ire (must be doing something wrong here) and have not been accused of being some very bad things so maybe it can be hurtful.

However if one defines a clique much more loosely, as a type of group mentality, then society is a clique. These forums have cliques. Political parties are cliques. That doesn't make it a bad thing. Some views, such as racism is a bad thing, have been reinforced by group mentality over the years.

 

[Oruc]

What is there to say? they back each other up and beat down those who disagree.

 

[useless]

What is there to say? they back each other up and beat down those who disagree.

Just like any other group on CFC i guess?

I seem to recall being dog-piled on for disagreeing on subjects such as Anita Saarkesian, etc.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, almost any specific ideological group on CFC has a certain clique that covers each other in debates. Cliques representing salonfähig viewpoints are simply more influential and outspoken.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Well, almost any specific ideological group on CFC has a certain clique that covers each other in debates. Cliques representing salonfähig viewpoints are simply more influential and outspoken.

Thing is, are they organized? They might be part of the same ideology, but are they a tightly-knit group with views that differ very little?

I'm quite sure that far as I'm aware, no such group exists. But then again, what do I know.

 

[Oruc]

Just like any other group on CFC i guess?

I seem to recall being dog-piled on for disagreeing on subjects such as Anita Saarkesian, etc.

well if you believe that, no other group has the mod backing like those in question, radicals for the establishment will always have the greatest weight like Kaiser says.

 

[useless]

Let's put it this way, as someone who is routinely labelled a SJW warrior, if there is a clique dedicated to such, i've yet to find it on here.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Just like any other group on CFC i guess?

Yep. Everyone feels dogpiled at one point or another, because everyone does get dogpiled at one point or another. There isn't just one "clique" terrorizing the boards with its mad joint-posting skills, there are many. There are cliques in C&C for effing sake. They're like-minded people, and there are many groups of them.

 

[Masada]

edit: Though I want to emphasize that self-righteousness is naturally not an exclusive or always present attribute of whoever is part of the phenomena. Every "member" is also known to simply make good arguments and I have been self-righteous on more than one occasion myself (and it also did not tend to improve my posts). It is a big word, what I aimed at was to highlight its particular manifestation in the discussed phenomena. Not to construct a stereo-type where "they" are the self-righteous.

I'm not being self-righteous and I resent the claim. I was making a rather simple point: the people who are most apt to whinge about being dog-piled on are on and the same people who like to claim that others are "[left wing] extremists" for opposing rather banal stuff like racism. That they get dog-piled isn't a function of anything more than the fact that the vast majority of OT posters find their expressed political views disgusting and that from time to time a small proportion of that silent majority get motivated enough to tell them their cranks. Some of us are more consistent in our mocking but we're scarcely lone voices in the wilderness. Amusingly, someone like Cheezy who gets dogpiled in every economic debate (and a lot of other debates) because he's Cheezy doesn't whinge about it. He just keeps soldiering on which is something I rather admire.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not being self-righteous and I resent the claim. I was making a rather simple point: the people who are most apt to whinge about being dog-piled on are on and the same people who like to claim that others are "[left wing] extremists" for opposing rather banal stuff like racism. That they get dog-piled isn't a function of anything more than the fact that the vast majority of OT posters find their expressed political views disgusting and that from time to time a small proportion of that silent majority get motivated enough to tell them their cranks. Some of us are more consistent in our mocking but we're scarcely lone voices in the wilderness. Amusingly, someone like Cheezy who gets dogpiled in every economic debate (and a lot of other debates) because he's Cheezy doesn't whinge about it.

Not to pile on here, but this is correct. When someone says something clearly crazy, do you jump right on, knowing you are starting a dogpile; do you wait a bit and join the dogpile; or do you wait longer and sort of top off the dogpile?

 

[Oruc]

Amusingly, someone like Cheezy who gets dogpiled in every economic debate (and a lot of other debates) because he's Cheezy doesn't whinge about it. He just keeps soldiering on which is something I rather admire.

He has plently of backers

Also supposed clique member backs up supposed clique member.

 

[MobBoss]

Yep. Everyone feels dogpiled at one point or another, because everyone does get dogpiled at one point or another. There isn't just one "clique" terrorizing the boards with its mad joint-posting skills, there are many. There are cliques in C&C for effing sake. They're like-minded people, and there are many groups of them.

Not enough conservatives around here to even create a dogpile. Never really has been.

 

[Zack]

He has plently of backers

In economic debates? There are even less communists in OT than conservatives.

I've personally seen Cheezy get piled on plenty of times, even outside economic debates.

 

[MobBoss]

In economic debates? There are even less communists in OT than conservatives.

I find this claim kinda hard to believe.

 

[Oruc]

In economic debates? There are even less communists in OT than conservatives.

I've personally seen Cheezy get piled on plenty of times, even outside economic debates.

Aelf, Azale, Reindeer and traitor, there's the four you wanted.
I don't care how many conservatives there are, they're just yesterdays liberals.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I find this claim kinda hard to believe.

That's because to a conservative everyone else is a communist.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Not enough conservatives around here to even create a dogpile. Never really has been.

Once upon a time the communists had the numbers, but we certainly don't now. Sometimes the liberals agree with us against the conservatives, sometimes the conservatives join us against the liberals. Sometimes the further-left liberals join us against the centrists and conservatives, and sometimes we communists go it alone against everyone. I'm sure the same dynamic plays out with every ideological group in here: religious, agnostics, soft and hard atheists; positivists, materialists, critical-theorists, rationalists; nationalists and internationalists; luddites and technophiles, and of course by generations as well, among others.