Manuss
Sleeping man
No they don't. They upgrade to bombards.
The Democratic Caliphate.
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Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
BAPBAPBAP! Caliph, what are you doing with my Great General?
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Have you not given it to me?
We had two great generals; the one that died for Anqarah and the one that fought the last remaining encampment.
We had two great generals; the one that died for Anqarah and the one that fought the last remaining encampment.
Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
No, I didn't even know a Great General had spawned until I read your latest update.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
We had the Horde of the Rashideen, which I placed under your control until you have given it to me:
Because you have given it to me, I used it accordingly, but it did not manage to survive, as the story concludes.
If you really wanted to have that great general, I could give you the new one that just spawned as an apology.
Because you have given it to me, I used it accordingly, but it did not manage to survive, as the story concludes.
If you really wanted to have that great general, I could give you the new one that just spawned as an apology.
Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
Yes, that was the military I had at the time of our last council. The great general spawned during the fighting, thus I couldn't possibly have known about him when announcing my latest policies.
Moai_Spammer
Ave, True to Caesar!
yeah, i've lost track of this thread
VGL
Deity
well,i'm out of a job
Sanguivorant
Submitter
No one is out of a job. I'll find a place.
adhiraj.bose
Deity
Random's back. If I recall correctly, he was in charge of Iraq ? I am presently in charge of Iraq. Probably it would mean handing over.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
I think it's time to settle things as of now.
TheNoob
Dank Memes
I'm still the commander of the navy, so there isn't too many things I can do right now.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
That's true. What other occupations can you think of? I had the idea of being the minister of labor; one who controls all workers. Would that be preferred?
TheNoob
Dank Memes
That'd be a good idea, but I think I would stay as the navy leader
I have to disagree on such a centralized policy on our feudal Caliphate. I think for now we Council Members should still have the ownership of our Workers.
BTW, I think you should post some info for the viewers here on the thread, instead of expect them to check the Council Group (it isn't easy/fast to go there to check things if someone normally stays only on S&T or few forums). It would be a great way to not let the thread go down a lot between Council decisions (info like Total Army, screenshots of the Caliphate, navy, those things that you post there for us to know what each one has and how the caliphate is doing). Some side stories would be nice too, like those of Atlantic Pacf on RT's America, but maybe this will be too much for only you (maybe Atlantic Pacf like to write about medieval Arabia too....
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BTW2, I know we are a Council, but I guess we must have more titles as we directly manage provinces and our families stay in power for as long as we make ourselves active (or until our feudal reality changes). Shouldn't we have some titles as "Governors" of these Provinces? Could we be Emirs or other muslin title stuff (forgive me on my poor Islamic knowledge)?
I would love to have a title
Sanguivorant
Submitter
It seems like you are onto something here, Spirictum.
I guess posting some updates on our situation would be a good way to keep the story active, and I don't mind the extra effort.
Maybe in the council you can describe how we can have more positions in the council?
I guess posting some updates on our situation would be a good way to keep the story active, and I don't mind the extra effort.
Maybe in the council you can describe how we can have more positions in the council?
Actually I wasn't thinking on new positions, but rather titles for us that are already in the council.
I mean, my family has been administrating Upper Egypt for some generations already, but being called the Counselor of Upper Egypt sounds awkward. Emir of Upper Egypt seems better (Emir is the only example my mind can come up with, maybe Sultan too, but as my knowledge on muslin topics really sucks I have no idea if they could be used or if they are histotically accurate or whatever).
It's just that I would like to have a title like *Something* of Egypt that reminds me of a true Muslin Governor, and not only a Counselor.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Our story is an alternate history of what would have happened if the Muwaiyah did not fight with Ali Ibn Abi Talib, which caused the first Fitnah for the Muslim nation in 661 A.D. Read more about this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fitna
The titles of Emirs and Sultans, and the notion of hereditary rule and feudalism were not prevalent until Muwaiyah defeated and killed Ali ibn Abi Talib and not only established himself as the Caliph, but made the position hereditary by passing on his powers to his son, whereas during the Rashidun Caliphate, the Caliph was elected, and governors were chosen according to merit. Read more about this here. Prior to that, the Rightly guided caliphs strongly opposed favouring their kin to other people (With the exception of Uthman Ibn Affan to a certain extent). Umar ibn al-Khattab even made his family live with him in relative poverty to drive the message home that he is in no way a king, and he would never prefer his kin over his subjects.
There is a certain narration claiming that Prophet Muhammad said something similar to, "Even if Fatimah (His daughter) was caught stealing, she would receive punishment", again implying that hereditary rule or preference has no place in Islam.
Because in our alternate history the First Fitnah never happened, the Ummah remained with the political administration and practices of the Rashidun Caliphate. That is, electing Caliphs and having rulers that are generally accepted by the ruled.
Governors are not chosen on the basis of heredity. You being the governor of Upper Egypt, you represent the Majlis that is made up of members elected by people of various groups and tribes that make up Upper Egypt. You are not an individual, rather you are the voice of the parliament of Upper Egypt that voices its decisions to the Caliph, so that the Caliph receives the Shura he needs to properly govern according to the command of the Qur'an.
Even my position as Caliph. I simply represent the Caliph elected by all of the Majalis (Plural for parliament) that meet up with each other annually. However, unlike most liberal democracies, a Caliph is elected only by the Majalis of the Muslim nation, and election of a Caliph only occur with the death of the preceding Caliph. However, outside of some military control, the Caliph is merely a figurehead, while most of the decision-making is given to the local provinces.
Some of those methods of governance have not been executed by the Rashidun Caliphate, but it is what I envision a functioning Islamic Ummah to look like.
Sorry if this is all a bit confusing.
In short, we have not recreating history, but extending the life of the Rashidun Caliphate. If you have more questions, I am happy to answer them here to give better context for you and the readers.
