The Democratic Nomination

[Berzerker]

Nina Turner, a Bernie ally

Warren looked like she wasn't playing any game with this, she wouldn't shake his hand and said to him he was calling her a liar on national TV

I'm not sure she did anything wrong

 

[Camikaze]

I'm assuming the strategy from Warren was not actually to attack Sanders, but to just directly confront the 'electability' challenge that she has probably been hearing from internal polling in an effort to peel off Buttigieg and Biden supporters. But largely as a result of clumsiness in the execution and the media's desire for a fight, and partly as a result of how thin-skinned the Sanders twittersphere can be, the point was immediately taken as a 100% attack. "Are you accusing Sanders of sexism? How dare you accuse of Sanders of sexism!" becomes the narrative, when Warren is not intending to do that at all. Even her debate answer was focusing on the electability upside, not any sort of accusation.

Her campaign prepared and fed the damn the questions to CNN. Warren was in on it – that’s blatantly obvious when you see her fake smirk and her posturing and refusal to shake hands with Bernie. Total betrayal. 100% snake. 100% Hillary strategy. I have tried my best to like EW during this campaign because on many important issues she was very good.

This is one of the wilder conspiracy theories I've ever read here.

 

[Old Hippy]

This is one of the wilder conspiracy theories I've ever read here.

mate you really should get out more

 

[Camikaze]

mate you really should get out more

It's less the idea of a candidate having input into questions - something with which the Democrats have form - and the idea that standing relatively expressionless at a podium is a giveaway that there must have been a malevolent plot.

 

[Ironsided]

This is one of the wilder conspiracy theories I've ever read here.

It’s a game of truth then, not a discussion? Inside your head Cami; what I say is a malevolent plot but what you say is assumption of strategy?

For reference of your finer “assumption of strategy” I’ll quote you from the nomination thread; no plot or bias there? I assume; strategically.

I'm assuming the strategy from Warren was not actually to attack Sanders, but to just directly confront the 'electability' challenge that she has probably been hearing from internal polling in an effort to peel off Buttigieg and Biden supporters. But largely as a result of clumsiness in the execution and the media's desire for a fight, and partly as a result of how thin-skinned the Sanders twittersphere can be, the point was immediately taken as a 100% attack. "Are you accusing Sanders of sexism? How dare you accuse of Sanders of sexism!" becomes the narrative, when Warren is not intending to do that at all. Even her debate answer was focusing on the electability upside, not any sort of accusation.

How very narrow yet convoluted and “establishment democrat” of you. Want a Pelosi cookie?

Nina Turner, a Bernie ally

Yup. She was brilliant at that rally in NYC when AOC endorsed Bernie and the interviews I have seen she's been cool. And she makes up for a lot of Sanders drawbacks. Younger, female, coloured, cool, quick.

 

[Lexicus]

I'm assuming the strategy from Warren was not actually to attack Sanders, but to just directly confront the 'electability' challenge that she has probably been hearing from internal polling in an effort to peel off Buttigieg and Biden supporters. But largely as a result of clumsiness in the execution and the media's desire for a fight, and partly as a result of how thin-skinned the Sanders twittersphere can be, the point was immediately taken as a 100% attack. "Are you accusing Sanders of sexism? How dare you accuse of Sanders of sexism!" becomes the narrative, when Warren is not intending to do that at all. Even her debate answer was focusing on the electability upside, not any sort of accusation.

I'm sorry but this is completely ludicrous. If she wanted to make the electability argument there was no need to drag Sanders into it. There is also no chance that Warren was "not intending" all this to happen, she is far too smart not to know what would happen. Far from being "how dare you accuse Sanders of sexism," the narrative is now "Sanders thinks a woman can't win, he and his supporters are even more obviously sexist!"

And imo this is an obvious lie. If it were not a lie we'd have heard about it far earlier than this.

This is one of the wilder conspiracy theories I've ever read here.

It is far likelier than the notion that Warren wasn't trying to make Sanders' "sexism" the issue here.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I wouldn't assume malice when incompetence would suffice, especially when you have got the media and supporters egging on a fight. This absolutely can blow up in her face and get worse and she's at fault for playing into all of it. But it can still go away in an instant as far as the general public is concerned. Hardcore supporters on either side might not be so quick to let it go. Here's hoping there's no lasting damage. The worst outcome is for the two progressive camps to alienate each other and further split the vote, handing the thing over to Biden.

I think whoever of those two (Warren or Sanders) has the least delegates going into Super Tuesday should give up and support the other. I'd be so much happier with either of them than Biden.

 

[Estebonrober]

I wouldn't assume malice when incompetence would suffice, especially when you have got the media and supporters egging on a fight. This absolutely can blow up in her face and get worse and she's at fault for playing into all of it. But it can still go away in an instant as far as the general public is concerned. Hardcore supporters on either side might not be so quick to let it go. Here's hoping there's no lasting damage. The worst outcome is for the two progressive camps to alienate each other and further split the vote, handing the thing over to Biden.

I think whoever of those two (Warren or Sanders) has the least delegates going into Super Tuesday should give up and support the other. I'd be so much happier with either of them than Biden.

Im hoping for this outcome as well, but want to point out that she had a chance to fix this and instead blew it up. I was contributor to her campaign and now I won’t be moving forward. Now Bernie gets my few bucks.

 

[Lexicus]

I wouldn't assume malice when incompetence would suffice

Her campaign releases a statement claiming Bernie sent his supporters to "trash her" online, then almost certainly leaks this "story" to CNN right before the debate? And you think it's just incompetence?

 

[Sommerswerd]

coloured

I think whoever of those two (Warren or Sanders) has the least delegates going into Super Tuesday should give up and support the other. I'd be so much happier with either of them than Biden.

If this happens, I will eat my hat.

Her campaign releases a statement claiming Bernie sent his supporters to "trash her" online, then almost certainly leaks this "story" to CNN right before the debate? And you think it's just incompetence?

I share the skepticism in the notion that Warren wasn't executing a planned attack with this "Bernie said a woman can't win" angle. I am also a little skeptical that she made it up out of whole cloth, rather than exaggerating or taking out of context something he actually did say to her candidly.

 

[Lexicus]

I am also a little skeptical that she made it up out of whole cloth, rather than exaggerating or taking out of context something he actually did say to her candidly.

Yes, I think the same thing...but since I am guessing he said something to the effect that Donald Trump will weaponize sexism into the election, spinning that into "a woman can't win" seems to be tantamount to a whole-cloth lie.

 

[Naskra]

she had a chance to fix this and instead blew it up.

White Girl speak with forked tongue.

 

[Ironsided]

My bad. It’s a direct translation of one of two acceptable terms we use in Sweden for people of colour – we use “mörkhyad” (dark skinned) or “färgad” (coloured). To be fair we hardly use them at all since the colour of your skin has little practical use in Sweden. We normally don’t do demographics that way. For example, it would be considered totally unacceptable to ask someone what their race is on a form like I have seen in America.

What would be the correct American terminology? Nina is a person of color? Nina is black?

 

[Kyriakos]

Not a racist post at all nope. ./s

Why is this racist? Afaik native americans using this type of phraseology is presented in a lot of US media. I can imagine that it was overused or not reflecting reality, but in the poster's comment it was used against Warren, due to the known fiasco with her claim to native american heritage - not to make fun of native americans.
But maybe it is racist cause it is used in Lucky Luke. I mean... Lucky Luke looks almost exactly like a specific and nasty nazi statue, with his ridiculous chin and all

 

[Estebonrober]

Why is this racist? Afaik native americans using this type of phraseology is presented in a lot of US media. I can imagine that it was overused or not reflecting reality, but in the poster's comment it was used against Warren, due to the known fiasco with her claim to native american heritage - not to make fun of native americans.
But maybe it is racist cause it is used in Lucky Luke. I mean... Lucky Luke looks almost exactly like a specific and nasty nazi statue, with his ridiculous chin and all

He is using it in a derogatory way. Its meant to be intentionally insulting.

 

[Kyriakos]

I liked the "journalist" in CNN saying "it's not a he-said, she-said issue, we have a report!!!". CNN is garbage...

 

[Sommerswerd]

My bad. It’s a direct translation of one of two acceptable terms we use in Sweden for people of colour – we use “mörkhyad” (dark skinned) or “färgad” (coloured). To be fair we hardly use them at all since the colour of your skin has little practical use in Sweden. We normally don’t do demographics that way. For example, it would be considered totally unacceptable to ask someone what their race is on a form like I have seen in America.

What would be the correct American terminology? Nina is a person of color? Nina is black?

I just say black... and I'm black. As you say... the whole concept of race is generally offensive, but there are some terms that have been abandoned in this country long ago as especially offensive.

Yes, I think the same thing...but since I am guessing he said something to the effect that Donald Trump will weaponize sexism into the election, spinning that into "a woman can't win" seems to be tantamount to a whole-cloth lie.

Meh... those two things are pretty similar... particularly if he added a "that's my worry" to the end of it or a "My concern is" to the beginning of it... but whatever... the whole idea that we can get through a primary without a candidate slinging mud or backstabbing etc... is pretty quaint. People use every dirty trick in the book and outright cheat in silly meaningless sports for crissakes... of course they do the same when "leader of the free world" is at stake. And the news is going to promote/publish whatever generates ratings... because they worship Mammon above all else.

So, to quote George Carlin... "maybe something else sucks around here... like the public."

 

[Berzerker]

I'm assuming the strategy from Warren was not actually to attack Sanders, but to just directly confront the 'electability' challenge that she has probably been hearing from internal polling in an effort to peel off Buttigieg and Biden supporters. But largely as a result of clumsiness in the execution and the media's desire for a fight, and partly as a result of how thin-skinned the Sanders twittersphere can be, the point was immediately taken as a 100% attack. "Are you accusing Sanders of sexism? How dare you accuse of Sanders of sexism!" becomes the narrative, when Warren is not intending to do that at all. Even her debate answer was focusing on the electability upside, not any sort of accusation.

I dont see why its sexist even if he did say it, but Bernie's been the target of a smear campaign starting in 2016 so the BernieBros are already aware of the tactic and sensitive to it.

What would be the correct American terminology? Nina is a person of color? Nina is black?

Depends on how old you are, I grew up during the black power movement in the 60s and 70s in San Francisco. But an even older black person might still be using colored, like in the NAAColoredP. I guess PoC is the new term but its too broad.

 

[bernie14]

I guess PoC is the new term but its too broad.

Too diverse to be inclusive or too inclusive to be diverse?

 

[Berzerker]

too inclusive/diverse to be specific