The Democratic Nomination

[Narz]

Yeah if people haven't abandoned Biden already for all the dumbass stuff he's said I don't think they will. Sanders somehow needs to break thru hard & get the media on his side but given his policies this seems like an impossibility.

Ironically it seems that democrats are less flexible than republicans in accepting "outsider" candidate (not that he's really an outsider, hes' been a senator for ages but the media loves to spin him as a crazy radical with no chance).

 

[Zardnaar]

Buttigieg is leading in Iowa apparently.

Warren's support is down.

Bernie and Biden are front-runners.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Buttigieg is leading in Iowa apparently.

No, Bernie is ahead in Iowa. Buttigieg polling has receeded across the board.

There will only be 6 debaters on stage whenever the next debate is. There are 24 days before the first primary and Marriane Williamson dropped out of the race. Busy news day.

 

[Sommerswerd]

not that he's really an outsider, hes' been a senator for ages

I suspect that this factor was never really being missed by voters to the extent that Bernie's strongest supporters seem to worry that it was, media notwithstanding. And I think it is possibly holding his polling down even more this cycle than last cycle, when it was much easier to regard him as a new face.

 

[Kyriakos]

It is good that this is to be a Bernie vs Biden, cause while they are of the same age, Bernie is eloquent and lucid, while Biden has been in dementia territory for a while now. The more Bide opens his mouth, the less likely he is to be the nomination.

 

[Narz]

It is good that this is to be a Bernie vs Biden, cause while they are of the same age, Bernie is eloquent and lucid, while Biden has been in dementia territory for a while now. The more Bide opens his mouth, the less likely he is to be the nomination.

I wouldn't be so confident, America clearly isn't put off by stupid. It's like the dad-bod, makes us feel less insecure about our own inadequacies. Why have a strong leader when we can have an impulsive, loud-mouth idiot just like us?

 

[Lexicus]

I think anger is weakness. But other things can be weaker.

I think anger is a valid response in many situations, including the political, social, and ecological situation in which we currently find ourselves. Anger could be a weakness if it thwarts productive action to ameliorate the situation, but equally can be a strength if turned to productive use. I think it's not easy to argue that bernie isn't putting anger to productive political use.

I think Berneh is pretty cool guy. eh kills billionaries and doesnt afraid of anything

 

[Berzerker]

isn't Iowa a caucus state?

need a good ground game/organization/energetic volunteers in caucuses, I think that favors Bernie... He should win the first 2 states and Biden will win SC

 

[Zkribbler]

isn't Iowa a caucus state?

Yes.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Bernie pulled dead even with Hillary in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, fwiw.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Americans are very attached to free speech, yet they created a society in which public expression should be paid for, de facto condemning to silence those who can't pay for it, which means about everyone.

This will probably sound rude, but I have the feeling that the large majority of candidates to the US presidential elections are just corpocrats, sold to serve the interests of US big business. I've been intrigued by Sanders run in 2016 because I didn't expect him to be able to go that far. Yet it all ended with Hillary Clinton as the Dem candidate and Donald Trump in the White House.

 

[amadeus]

I don’t see a viable path for any of them except Biden, even in some kind of brokered convention.

 

[Fippy]

Well i never saw a viable path for "President my boss" Biden, but US elections are not following logic.

 

[amadeus]

I think Biden is the only one who can scrape enough delegates together to win the nomination, even if Sanders or Buttigieg have a plurality.

Bloomberg and Warren are far behind, Yang is going nowhere, and the others aren’t even going to finish third.

 

[onejayhawk]

There is a new Des Moines Register poll for Iowa. This is Nate Silver's gold standard and it has all of the top four candidates bunched together 15% - 20%. It's at the point where the ground game really matters and all four are close enough to grab first place. Not getting at least second will be a blow to two of them, though the following week in New Hampshire is a chance to make it up.

My best guess is that one of the top four takes a fatal wound the first two weeks. Biden wins big in South Carolina, but few notice as the focus shifts to Super Tuesday the first week of March.

J

 

[Lexicus]

You can't poll a caucus just sayin

 

[rah]

Read this morning that Bloomy was willing to spend up to a billion to beat Trump, and said if he wasn't the nominee that he'd spend that money to back whoever the Dem Nom was. He knows the true goal. Beat Trump.
To bad Bernie didn't realize that back in 2016. We might have avoided this mess.

 

[Lexicus]

Read this morning that Bloomy was willing to spend up to a billion to beat Trump, and said if he wasn't the nominee that he'd spend that money to back whoever the Dem Nom was. He knows the true goal. Beat Trump.
To bad Bernie didn't realize that back in 2016. We might have avoided this mess.

Yeah I mean it's not like Bernie spent the whole autumn campaigning for Hillary or anything

 

[rah]

Not hard enough in my book if he couldn't convince his backers to show up on election day and vote for her.

 

[Lexicus]

Not hard enough in my book if he couldn't convince his backers to show up on election day and vote for her.

This is just garbage that has been debunked many times already, but here goes again. There is no factual basis for notion that an abnormally high number of Sanders voters failed to turn out for Clinton in 2016. In fact there were a higher percentage of Clinton->McCain voters in 2008 than the percentage of Sanders->Trump voters in 2016.

This whole trope is just stupid and demonstrates that Sander's haters will sieze on any nonsense to attempt to discredit him.