The fine-tuning argument for God's existence

[Terxpahseyton]

Are you saying it is noble to watch others masturbate?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Are you saying it is noble to watch others masturbate?

The quote says something else. And I have another one:

If God did not take upon Himself the burden of tempting men, the world would very soon go to perdition.

 

[warpus]

"God does not play dice with masturbators" - Albert Einstein

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning masturbating.

Warpus Einstein

 

[Tigranes]

Doesn't the fact that the very people who know the most about these physical constants reject the supposition that God is the best explanation for them suggest that there's something wrong with this argument?

This reinforces another point, though. Fine tuning is the evidence in favor of Faith, but does not prove the existence of God in the same way you can prove the existence of yourself. Body, mind, heart. Ability to see galaxies belongs to body, ability to derive the existence of the fine tuning belongs to mind, ability to believe in God belongs to heart. Senses, reason, faith.
God loves you and wants you to accept Him by your heart as your Father. Not thanks to your senses. Not thanks to your mind. But thanks to your heart.

Heart is what ultimately matters. Philipp Eduard Anton von Lenard, was a German physicist and the winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1905 for his research on cathode rays and the discovery of many of their properties. He was a nationalist and anti-Semite; as an active proponent of the Nazi ideology, he had supported Adolf Hitler in the 1920s and was an important role model for the "Deutsche Physik" movement during the Nazi period. Being smart is only good for the domain of reason, not domain of faith.

Faith alone of course does not make you good or bad, for your deeds need to be the testament of your faith. "Gott Mit Uns" appeared on many Nazi soldiers belt buckles during WWII. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I wanted to yet reply to this

If consciousness is trivial then nothing can be grave...

I am quit ready to accept that. All just relative if you ask me. It can feel grave and that makes it grave - relative to the one having the impression of graveness. But in absolute terms it is just another way of the universe to express itself. As time or gravity or trees or dirt or masturbation or .... Or so I think.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I wanted to yet reply to this

I am quit ready to accept that. All just relative if you ask me. It can feel grave and that makes it grave - relative to the one having the impression of graveness. But in absolute terms it is just another way of the universe to express itself. As time or gravity or trees or dirt or masturbation or .... Or so I think.

There is no way you can feel grave if universe is just gigantic piece of machinery without meaning. The feeling of graveness or some other weakness can exist only becouse its opposite exist too.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Can't they be just feelings? I think they are.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Can't they be just feelings? I think they are.

Sure but you can feel grave only when not strong enough(weak), insuficient, etc.
Also what do you mean by "way of universe to express itself"? Do you imply inteligence, purpose?

 

[Terxpahseyton]

No, just picturesque language.
And yes there are reasons for the feelings we have. But trivial reasons, it seems.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

No, just picturesque language.
And yes there are reasons for the feelings we have. But trivial reasons, it seems.

Yet we tremble before these trivial reasons -- our whole life is just a bondage of triviality. Are you really willing to believe that?

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Yes. I don't like it, believe me. I hate it, actually, I think I really do. But anything else just seems like nothing but wishful thinking to me and I can not really decide to see it differently. I would need a good reason to think differently which I don't have nor expect to ever find.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Yes. I don't like it, believe me. I hate it, actually, I think I really do. But anything else just seems like nothing but wishful thinking to me.

Good. Hate is better then just resignation.... And a quote:

Reason gives me no basis for this faith, thou murmurest. Fool! if it did, faith would not be needed or demanded of thee.

I would need a good reason to think differently which I don't have nor expect to ever find.

I agree but you never know what life has in store...

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Yeah well that is not a reason but not really more than a tautology, I am afraid. But I know, the point is one should not need a reason. But I do I am afraid.
But I am happy for you having faith. Must be nice.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Yeah well that is not a reason but not really more than a tautology, I am afraid. But I know, the point is one should not need a reason. But I do I am afraid.
But I am happy for you having faith. Must be nice.

One certainly needs some strong incentive to try to move beyond the mundane and sense knowledge.
I am happy for you too since man cant live without faith. You certainly have faith in whatever you do and trust that it can lead you to satisfaction. Life without faith is for man psychologicaly intorable...

 

[Borachio]

"God does not play dice with masturbators" - Albert Einstein

I think she does. But I believe she takes care to wear gloves when she handles the dice.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

It comforts me that a she watches me masturbate. Encourage even. Not that I needed any. But there is bound to be some tough competition. How to stand out? Maybe wear a funny hat. I think she likes funny hats.

 

[timtofly]

This thread has sure fine-tuned itself.

 

[Tigranes]

This thread has sure fine-tuned itself.

Yes. It is amazing how little is needed to derail [RD] thread. Unfortunately only me, Mr. B. and Ziggy can understand the pun behind "little".

 

[warpus]

You don't think God could understand a little pun like that?