"The great relabeling" of American language and thought

Whomp

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So I was listening to NPR in the car yesterday and they had a very interesting interview with a linguistics professor from UC Berkeley Geoffery Nunberg. He was explaining how the phrase making by conservatives has changed politics in the U.S. from philosophical differences to lifestyle differences. How the conservatives have a one size fits all narrative whereas the liberals do not.

As he puts it, conservatives' main goal wasn't to win voters over to their positions on healthcare, education, or the environment. They had a much more dramatic ambition. By changing the meaning of words like "values," "government," "liberal"; "faith," and "freedom," conservatives have shifted the political center of gravity of the language itself to the right. "Whatever our politics," Nunberg observes, "when we talk about politics nowadays, we can't help using language that embodies a conservative world-view."

His book is called Talking Right. How conservatives turned liberalism into a tax-raising, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times reading, Hollywood-loving, Left-Wing Freak Show.

As well as brie-eating. As it happens, the majority of brie consumers are Republicans," Nunberg writes. "But whoever actually buys the stuff, it stands for the Right's stereotype of liberals – soft, pale, runny, and French.

The "L" used to stand for the “I have no problem they’re moving into our neighborhood as long as they don’t live next to me attitude of the 60’s” to today’s meaning of profligacy, anarchy, east coast/west coast elitism, idealism, softness, and irresponsibility.

At the same time, Democrats have proven unable to handle the "class warfare" charge. Meanwhile, for Republicans, "entrepreneur" has replaced "capitalist" (had bad connotations). Another part of Democrats' problem is that the average citizen doesn't understand economics very well.

Sounds like the left needs a lesson in phrase making. :)
BTW I like brie and sushi. You?
 
Ya the republicnas always make us liberals sound bad when the word liberals just means some1 who wants liberty. another way for them to demonize something that is universally good (liberalism). they use t his to hide the fact that they have bad policies and an evil world view
 
Whomp said:
So I was listening to NPR in the car yesterday and they had a very interesting interview with a linguistics professor from UC Berkeley Geoffery Nunberg. He was explaining how the phrase making by conservatives has changed politics in the U.S. from philosophical differences to lifestyle differences. How the conservatives have a one size fits all narrative whereas the liberals do not.

As he puts it, conservatives' main goal wasn't to win voters over to their positions on healthcare, education, or the environment. They had a much more dramatic ambition. By changing the meaning of words like "values," "government," "liberal"; "faith," and "freedom," conservatives have shifted the political center of gravity of the language itself to the right. "Whatever our politics," Nunberg observes, "when we talk about politics nowadays, we can't help using language that embodies a conservative world-view."

His book is called Talking Right. How conservatives turned liberalism into a tax-raising, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times reading, Hollywood-loving, Left-Wing Freak Show.

As well as brie-eating. As it happens, the majority of brie consumers are Republicans," Nunberg writes. "But whoever actually buys the stuff, it stands for the Right's stereotype of liberals – soft, pale, runny, and French.

The "L" used to stand for the “I have no problem they’re moving into our neighborhood as long as they don’t live next to me attitude of the 60’s” to today’s meaning of profligacy, anarchy, east coast/west coast elitism, idealism, softness, and irresponsibility.

At the same time, Democrats have proven unable to handle the "class warfare" charge. Meanwhile, for Republicans, "entrepreneur" has replaced "capitalist" (had bad connotations). Another part of Democrats' problem is that the average citizen doesn't understand economics very well.

Sounds like the left needs a lesson in phrase making. :)
BTW I like brie and sushi. You?


Dems got schooled in the 90s no doubt, but they are on a copmeback. Mainly because of Bush.

I like brie, not sushi.
 
Commie #4522 said:
Ya the republicnas always make us liberals sound bad when the word liberals just means some1 who wants liberty. another way for them to demonize something that is universally good (liberalism). they use t his to hide the fact that they have bad policies and an evil world view


Yea, in regards to you commie, your form of liberty is think my way or your dead. ..
 
Tulkas12 said:
Dems got schooled in the 90s no doubt, but they are on a copmeback. Mainly because of Bush.
Hmm...according to Nunberg, Clinton was one of the few dems who has actually been able to "phrase make" with narrative. John Edwards as well.

On the other hand, the right doesn't need a special Clintonesque type speaker, or phrase maker, to make their point. Bill Frist is a lousy speaker but can use all of those words and make a point.
 
Why should we twist the truth? We are Right and they are Wrong (Left).

If we are so cowardly as to make words seems bad in the eyes of the mob, then we are acting UnAmerican, something that is grossly incorrect.


And Conservatives believe in liberty too Commie, just a different kind. ;)
 
I don't think the word capitalist has a negative connotation. I also don't think capitalist = entrepreneur. I thought the entrepreneur was the one that came up with the ideas and did the work while the capitalist was the one that provided the capital for the entrepreneur.


And I also thought that democrats don't believe that liberal had a negative connotation. I have met too many self-described "bleeding heart liberals." It seems to me is that actions and beliefs of liberals that give liberals a bad name.
 
Funnily enough, a couple of days ago, I read an article about how the socdems are doing the same thing with political language here in Sweden.

It's hardly a new thing, tho. Any ancient Athenian demagogue would've felt quite at home with the practice.
 
FugitivSisyphus said:
I don't think the word capitalist has a negative connotation. I also don't think capitalist = entrepreneur. I thought the entrepreneur was the one that came up with the ideas and did the work while the capitalist was the one that provided the capital for the entrepreneur.


And I also thought that democrats don't believe that liberal had a negative connotation. I have met too many self-described "bleeding heart liberals." It seems to me is that actions and beliefs of liberals that give liberals a bad name.
You should read the words to this song.

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics/liberal.html

Liberal had a very different meaning in the 60's until Ronald Reagan changed it at the 1988 convention during his "L" word speech.
 
interesting posts Whomp.

i can see where the word "capitalist" in today's globalization driven world would carry w/ it a certain stigma. "entrepreneur" just sounds better i think...

and yes, i have eaten both sushi and brie!
 
Whomp said:
You should read the words to this song.

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics/liberal.html

Liberal had a very different meaning in the 60's until Ronald Reagan changed it at the 1988 convention during his "L" word speech.

Yes, but it seems to me that the United States left-leaning populous has embraced the term liberal to describe themselves. To conservatives, liberal is bad. To self-described liberals, liberal is not bad. The definition of liberal has evolved but complaining that modern day definition of the word liberal is considered bad by those that don't like modern day liberalism is silly.

Its like the term n***** (black dude). It is considered derrogatory, but the people to which the term describes use the term as well.
 
Sorry, no matter how many times it is brought up, I just can't see the massive conservative conspiracy.
 
That's because it isn't a conspiracy. It's essentially mudslinging against words instead of people. :p
 
Syterion said:
Sorry, no matter how many times it is brought up, I just can't see the massive conservative conspiracy.
I don't think it's a conservative conspiracy. :confused:
I think it's how the right has molded language to their benefit. IE Tax and spend liberal.
 
Whomp said:
I don't think it's a conservative conspiracy. :confused:
I think it's how the right has molded language to their benefit. IE Tax and spend liberal.

Cut and run is a fine example of this as well.
 
Erik Mesoy said:
That's because it isn't a conspiracy. It's essentially mudslinging against words instead of people. :p
exactly - it's like the old phrase "bleeding heart liberal".
 
Whomp said:
Sounds like the left needs a lesson in phrase making.
The Left has done better in creating euphemisms:
  • Equal Opportunity ~ enforced equal outcomes
  • Affirmative Action ~ anti-White quotas
  • Planned Parenthood ~ birth control clinic

So, it's just a matter of what each propaganda department is most concerned with, and there certainly isn't a dearth of examples from the Democrats and their liberal comrades (;)).
 
Is he exaggerating, or does "planned parenthood" actually mean "birth control clinic" in the US?

(As an aside, I have certain trouble understanding a mindset that would feel the need for a euphemism for "birth control clinic".)
 
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