The Great Wonders and Projects Thread

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

How about the Venetian Arsenal does something with specialists? Maybe +1 XP for naval units per specialist in the city. That's a little bit crazy but that's just a first thought.

Great Person Points contribute to naval unit production? Harder to cheese by switching to everyone being a specialist for the last turn.

 

[merijn_v1]

What about +1 (or any appropriate value) production to naval units for each hired specialist?

 

[youtien]

Dujiangyan: city immune to negative random events (Chengdu is a safe city, free from most disaster),+1 food from statesmen in all cities(Chinese bureaucrats take very care to agriculture, from ancient times till now). Doesn't obsolete(working till now).
This should be useful but not too powerful.

 

[Temüjin VIII]

I think the cathedral requirement reduction effect should be given to a Spanish wonder instead. They were more aggressive in erecting religious structures especially in their colonies. Here in the Philippines, for example, there is a major cathedral in Manila and in Cebu. The latter holds Magellan's Cross.

 

[Leoreth]

The new Notre Dame effect, though thematically cool, feels a bit underwhelming. Maybe reduce it to two or even one temple per cathedral? Would that be too powerful? If Notre Dame obsoletes early enough, then I don't think it would be too powerful since Catholic medieval civs rarely control more than 4-5 cities. Could also tie the effect to cathedrals of the state religion only.

True, I think two temples per cathedral seems worth it. I also considered +50% state religion building production as an additional bonus (if Khajuraho is changed).

Happy as I am to see a wonder from the city I live in, I don't think the Montreal Biodome deserves a spot on this list. It really is just an indoor zoo. I don't know what the art looks like, but there's a chance you might have mistaken the Biodome for the Biosphere, which is a rather more interesting geodesic structure in Montreal (built by the Americans for Expo 67; now an environment museum). If possible I'd replace the Biodome by the Biosphere.

Honestly I mostly put it on the list because it does have a model in the database (the biosphere unfortunately doesn't) and it can give more weight to the underused bottom part of the global era tech tree.

Dujiangyan: city immune to negative random events (Chengdu is a safe city, free from most disaster),+1 food from statesmen in all cities(Chinese bureaucrats take very care to agriculture, from ancient times till now). Doesn't obsolete(working till now).
This should be useful but not too powerful.

I really like this idea.

 

[FraggleJock]

Porcelein Tower
Choose your type of GP

Crystal Palace
Excess happy add as science% mod to Trade Routes (London needs a Buff )

University of Sankore
Add city commerce to GPP generation

Sydney Opera House
Add city SIze to Culture growth, here in Oz it feels a touch urbanised.



Unfortunately I don't even know if these are mechanically possible options.

 

[inthesomeday]

Missing Effect

Bamiyan Buddhas
Saint Sophia's Cathedral
Prambanan
Beta Giyorgis
Kazimierz
Amber Room
Crystal Palace
Nobel Foundation
Atomium
Sydney Opera House
Delta Works
Vertical Forest

Bamyan Buddhas: +1 trade route per religion present in the city. (Representing the site as a conflagration of multiple religions during the Silk Road area)

Kiev Sophia: (Maybe some generic culture value? Alternatively, because it's meant for Russia, it could decrease gold maintenance for number of cities by some appropriate value, representing its political importance at various periods of Russian history including its construction as a sort of gift by the monarch at the time.)

Prambanan: Religions that have been state religion in the past cause no unhappiness. (To represent the cause of its construction, a change in state religion from Buddhism to Hinduism, as well as the historical religious diversity of Indonesia from Buddhism to Hinduism to Islam.)

Bete Giyorgis: +1 culture to state religion buildings for every shrine in the world. (Representing the cathedral's imitation of Jerusalem.)

Kazimierz: (Generic gold effect, should be connected to non-state religions.)

Amber Room: +X Great Statesman points for each defensive pact. (The room helped forge a pact between Russia and Prussia, and Germany has a long history of building dangerous alliances in Europe: see WWI. GPP effect for Germany.)

Crystal Palace: Trade routes with cities on continents where you control territory contribute to culture. (British imperialism and trade, pretty obvious. Alternatively could do something similar with golden ages.)

Nobel Foundation: When great people are born in other civilizations, gain X% of the points required to recruit them. (Obvious)

Atomium: Every defensive pact you have generates 1 source of uranium for both members. (This might be seen as OP but the wonder will be very late game and this can represent the sharing of nuclear capabilities between European Union states as well as helping nations like Britain and Germany secure nuclear weapons in the modern age which can sometimes be difficult.)

Sydney Opera House: +1 trade route per culture level in the city. (The Sydney harbor is a very significant trade hub and the Opera House is a major tourist attraction within. If there's ever an Australian civ it could benefit from this.)

Delta Works: -1 unhappiness and unhealthiness from city size for each water tile in city radius. (To represent the transformation of sea into land which is then used to house citizens and thus makes everything less cramped. The Netherlands has one of the highest quality of living rates in the world.)

Bosco Verticale: +1 health from specialists in all cities. (For Italy.)

These are just some first thoughts of mine, thought I'd try and get something together for all of them. Totally open for criticism or discussion. Also I know we're not supposed to add more wonders but I think the St. Louis Arch should be in.

 

[1SDANi]

Bete Giyorgis: +1 culture to state religion buildings for every shrine in the world. (Representing the cathedral's imitation of Jerusalem.)

So wait, if you had three cities each with both state religion buildings, each city would yield +6 culture? Or is this only for the city it's in?

3 from number shrines * 2 from both buildings = 6

And this is for Orthodoxy right?

 

[inthesomeday]

If there were 3 shrines in the world, then it would be a +3 culture to each state religious building in the empire, so yes. This can be tweaked if necessary.

 

[1SDANi]

If there were 3 shrines in the world, then it would be a +3 culture to each state religious building in the empire, so yes. This can be tweaked if necessary.

IMO this would definitely need to be tweaked should it be implemented in game. It seems way too powerful, even for a wonder. We're not just talking about Shrines you've built, but also what other nations have. This means that new cities can easily be getting 10+ culture from a single building. And sure this is a wonder we're talking about, but it seems OP even for a wonder.

Perhaps it could be +2 culture to each state religion building and +1 culture to each state religion building for every other nation sharing the state religion. This way you are still incentivised to spread your religion, but it's still powerful if there's no one else with the religion. So say you are the only nation with your SR, then all of your state religion buildings have +2 culture. But say you get two more nations onboards, now each building gives +4 culture.

The change I suggested makes it harder to go out of control, with your suggestion once a huge empire switches to the religion, you're going to have a crazy culture output. Here it's much harder to go out of control, and while it sadly does not incentivise converting large powers over smaller ones, it makes the strategy to continuously spread your religion instead of converting Russia or America and going on to something else as you reap the benefits.

 

[Leoreth]

Updates: added Jetavanaramaya, some proposed wonder effects.

 

[Leoreth]

About Beta Giyorgis, how about: receive a short GA (like 2 turns) whenever someone adopts your state religion. This would reward Ethiopia for becoming the first Orthodox civ.

 

[Temüjin VIII]

A small correction: Shalimar Gardens should be a Mughal wonder: it's found in Lahore.

Anyway, I strongly feel that Iran badly needs wonders. I recommend these ones, but I'm not sure with the effects yet so these can be changed:

Imam Reza Shrine (Patronage)
+1 from priest in all cities (from SoI); flat +2-3 (?) (represents the bazaars that sprang up around it)

Shah Mosque (Heritage)
(SoI effect: +5 from all Shi'a buildings)
Free settled Great Artist or Great Engineer in city (regarded as the masterpiece of Persian architecture)

Another bleak suggestion, with an accompanying adjustment:

The Bridge of 33 Arches (Horticulture)
(can be Hydraulics too but it might be too late)
River tiles: +1 and +1 (from SoI)
Adjustment: Add a river around Esfahan

 

[ales_]

About Beta Giyorgis, how about: receive a short GA (like 2 turns) whenever someone adopts your state religion. This would reward Ethiopia for becoming the first Orthodox civ.

There are not so many Orthodox civs in the game. I fell it's too weak as an effect.

 

[1SDANi]

My post for the idea was kind of a big blob, so I thought I might as well post my idea for Beta Giyorgis as a single post.

+2 culture to state religion buildings and +1 culture to state religion buildings for every other nation sharing the state religion.

 

[Leoreth]

There are not so many Orthodox civs in the game. I fell it's too weak as an effect.

Egypt, Rome, Byzantium, Babylonia, Russia, every European civ if Catholicism isn't founded yet. Not all of them are reliably Orthodox afterwards but considering 8 turns of GA is worth a wonder it's not hard to break even.

 

[soul-breathing]

About Beta Giyorgis, how about: receive a short GA (like 2 turns) whenever someone adopts your state religion. This would reward Ethiopia for becoming the first Orthodox civ.

Then it would be easy for Ethiopia get continuous GA, just change others' religion to Orthodox by spy.

 

[inthesomeday]

How about a short golden age every time a shrine is completed in the world?

 

[youtien]

How about enable shrines to be built?

In previous versions, Arabs always build their shrine because there were free priests from Temple of Solomon, now they don't -- because Great Library fills GP pool, and they tend to build La Mezquita.

 

[Leoreth]

Interesting.