The Malaysian Apartheid

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Agence France-Presse said:
Malaysia's ethnic Indian activists accused of terror links

Malaysian authorities have accused ethnic Indian activists of having links with Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, a charge the campaigners said could see them detained under internal security laws.

Leaders of ethnic rights group Hindraf, which last month organised mass anti-discrimination protests that were broken up with tear gas and water cannons, have already been slapped with sedition charges.

Police Inspector-General Musa Hassan accused them of seeking support from terrorists, smearing Malaysia's reputation, and inciting racial hatred -- a serious charge in the multicultural country dominated by Muslim Malays.


"Of late there have been indications that Hindraf is trying to seek support and help from terrorist groups," Musa said in a statement carried by the official Bernama news agency late Thursday, without giving any details.

However, Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail said Hindraf was suspected of involvement with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) whose campaign for an independent homeland has left tens of thousands dead since 1972.

"Somebody lodged a report based on the grounds that these people have gone out to contact the LTTE. We all know that the LTTE has been declared a terrorist organisation," he told reporters.

"Everybody in the world is worried if there is an LTTE connection," he said, adding that police were investigating the issue.

Malaysia's ethnic Indians, who make up eight percent of the population, are mostly Tamils -- the descendents of indentured labourers brought here by the British colonial rulers in the 1800s.

One of Hindraf's leaders, P. Uthayakumar, said the police chief's salvo raised the prospect of Malaysia's controversial Internal Security Act (ISA) -- which allows indefinite detention without trial -- being used against them.

"They are trying to lay the foundation to arrest us under the ISA or to charge us for a criminal offence and deny us bail," Uthayakumar told AFP.

"At all costs, they want us locked up and behind bars when all we are doing is highlighting the marginalisation and permanent colonialisation and racism against Indians here."

Uthayakumar said he would write to Musa demanding he provide evidence of the alleged terror links, or face a 10 million ringgit (three million dollar) defamation lawsuit.

Musa also dismissed as "false, baseless and malicious" the activists' claims that ethnic Indians are marginalised in terms of education, employment and wealth.

"Their actions also have the potential of creating racial conflict in the country," he said.

In a court session Friday, the government sought to overturn a decision that allowed three Hindraf leaders including Uthayakumar to walk free from sedition charges related to speeches they made last month.

The speeches criticised Malaysia's system of preferential treatment for Malays, who make up 60 percent of the population. The court adjourned the hearing until Monday.

Opposition leader Lim Kit Siang, from the Chinese-based Democratic Action Party, slammed the police allegations and called on the government to drop the attacks and instead listen to the concerns of ethnic Indians.


He filed for an emergency debate on the issue in parliament on Monday, saying that levelling the terror allegations "without any evidence whatsoever is a matter of grave national concern".

Earlier this week, 31 ethnic Indians were charged with attempted murder over the wounding of a police officer during a rally at a Hindu temple on the eve of the November 25 mass protests organised by Hindraf.

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This is coming from a country where ethnic Malays, who are the majority, constrain the minorities with various racist laws and practices such as limited quotas for university entry, limits on entry into the civil service, a compulsory proportion of Malay shareholders in every major company and preferential awarding of government contracts to Malays.

Is this not a virtual apartheid? It is no wonder that racial tensions are high. And now, in classic Southeast Asian fashion, the government seeks to use heavy-handed legal methods to punish and silence the resultant dissent. Should the world turn a blind eye on the conditions in this apparently progressive Third World nation?

Also, the Malaysian religious police and courts are powerful and have the power to arrest and punish citizens for 'religious disobedience'. Sometimes they even arrest non-Muslims by mistake and face no consequence for whatever invasion of privacy comitted or distress caused in the process. A fundamentalist apartheid state, perhaps?
 
Smells like Malaysia is becoming a Theocracy. Glad I favor Japan over Malaysia ;).
 
Despite the fact that the Malay majority uses its position quite liberally and without concern for some of the other ethnic groups in Malaysia does not make it analogous to apartheid; apartheid was a system exclusive to South Africa and that terminology shouldn't be applied to other countries.
 
Despite the fact that the Malay majority uses its position quite liberally and without concern for some of the other ethnic groups in Malaysia does not make it analogous to apartheid; apartheid was a system exclusive to South Africa and that terminology shouldn't be applied to other countries.

The definition of apartheid that I know is 'institutionalised racism'. Although the Malaysian system is nowhere as bad as the past South African system (and hence its passing under the radar of world opinion), IMO it still falls under that definition by a good margin.
 
Racial tensions in Malaysia I know is quite high, but it's not like in South Africa. The Chinese and Indians dominated the economy, but Malays dominated the government AFAIK.
 
This is coming from a country where ethnic Malays, who are the majority, constrain the minorities with various racist laws and practices such as limited quotas for university entry, limits on entry into the civil service, a compulsory proportion of Malay shareholders in every major company and preferential awarding of government contracts to Malays.
These laws favouring the bumiputera came into place in the 60s when then the Chinese completely dominated the economy (the portion that wasn't already foreign-owned). Opportunities for Malays were limited.

But I agree it's time to scrap them - the Malays are not as 'oppressed' these days and they have more than enough openings. Unfortunately these laws are now seen as the evidence for Malay overlordship of the country (being the 'natives') - questioning them is treated as questioning the Malay overlordship.

Malay overlordship as defined in the Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_melayu

BTW, the racial quotas for the places in universities have been put on hold recently last I heard. Because the local universities are now so crap and with so many foreign educational institutions setting up sub-campuses in KL, no Chinese wants to go into them willingly... :snicker:

Is this not a virtual apartheid? It is no wonder that racial tensions are high. And now, in classic Southeast Asian fashion, the government seeks to use heavy-handed legal methods to punish and silence the resultant dissent. Should the world turn a blind eye on the conditions in this apparently progressive Third World nation?
Oh I don't know. Other than the laws, in real life, people of all races do mingle and mix peacefully.

Also, the Malaysian religious police and courts are powerful and have the power to arrest and punish citizens for 'religious disobedience'. Sometimes they even arrest non-Muslims by mistake and face no consequence for whatever invasion of privacy comitted or distress caused in the process. A fundamentalist apartheid state, perhaps?
This is a real issue. It has raised outcries in the past when these self-righteous govt officials raided discos and arrested all the Malay youth having fun within. :rolleyes:

Also do you know that the freedom to religion as enshrined in the Malaysian constitution does not extend to Malays? :lol: Malays cannot be other than Muslims - it's apostasy and punishable by law. :ack:

Unfortunately, the ruling Malay party (which is secular) cannot afford to crack down on these overzealous religious officials - because their main Malay opposition is PAS - which is a real-life Islamic fundamentalist party. It would affect their Islamic 'credentials' and caused them to lose Malay votes. Sometimes democracies are like that...

Yes, we Malaysians do vote in the people who rule the country - it's just that there wasn't any other viable option (unless we want the stupid fundies to rule the country...).
 
Also do you know that the freedom to religion as enshrined in the Malaysian constitution does not extend to Malays? :lol: Malays cannot be other than Muslims - it's apostasy and punishable by law. :ack:
At least its not enforced on the other ethnicities.

Whilst the legal framework around how different races are treated is a bit.... strange.... it does appear to me (although I have had very narrow exposure to it), that the attitudes of the people in malaysia are a great example of how a multi-cultural society should function. Everyone seems very tolerant.
 
We are.

Most of the time we ignore the politicos - they are just angling to get votes and keeping their support-base, within their constituency or their party. The race card is too easy to play, for them.

As for the Indians, while I feel for them, personally I think they are overreacting. I have Indian friends who went to school with me and who are doing well in life now - you just need to work your way around the rules.

And personally I think those race rules are good for Malaysian Chinese at least - it continues to drive us to strive and excel, as well as to keep our identity. Otherwise we'd have vegetated, as a people.
 
Forgive my ignorance of Malaysia, but is this:

Malaysian authorities have accused ethnic Indian activists of having links with Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, a charge the campaigners said could see them detained under internal security laws.

...something out of left field or are there actually people with Tamil Tiger links there (of Indian background no less)?

To my very untrained eye, it looks slightly bizarre.
 
Forgive my ignorance of Malaysia, but is this:



...something out of left field or are there actually people with Tamil Tiger links there (of Indian background no less)?

To my very untrained eye, it looks slightly bizarre.

well tamils are indian so its not too bizarre
 
Forgive my ignorance of Malaysia, but is this:

...something out of left field or are there actually people with Tamil Tiger links there (of Indian background no less)?

To my very untrained eye, it looks slightly bizarre.
Apparently the Hindu action group behind the riot has announced that its leader is meeting some Tamil Tigers people in India - which is where this accusation comes from.

But then don't put too much faith what the Malaysian police claims, since it's pretty corrupt, from the top all the way to the bottom most and has a long history of acting above the law.

They are also near completely useless in reining back crime, which is growing increasingly frequent and more violent in recent years (driving whole neighbourhoods to fence themselves up and hire guards (of questionable quality IMO), including the one I stay in back home). They like to make wild unsubstantiated accusations, to deflect attention from their ineptitude and gross incompetence.
 
This country is outright rasist. Imagine this in Europe...
 
All Islamic governments currently in power suck. I would say that Singapore is closer to being a true islamic government than Malaysia. Strangely reminds me of how the Umayyads prevented conversion to Islam.
 
This country is outright rasist. Imagine this in Europe...

But it exists in Europe too, in somewhat milder form. The main difference is that it doesn't restrict the minorities, but the majority.

Any discrimination is crap. I am against either positive, or negative form of this nonsense. Citizens should be judged according to their merit, not a race/gender/ethnic belonging/religion or anything else.
 
But I agree it's time to scrap them - the Malays are not as 'oppressed' these days and they have more than enough openings. Unfortunately these laws are now seen as the evidence for Malay overlordship of the country (being the 'natives') - questioning them is treated as questioning the Malay overlordship.

Percisely. There is no excuse. This is institutionalised racism.

Knight-Dragon said:
BTW, the racial quotas for the places in universities have been put on hold recently last I heard. Because the local universities are now so crap and with so many foreign educational institutions setting up sub-campuses in KL, no Chinese wants to go into them willingly... :snicker:

How about poor minorities? Do they now have free access to tertiary education?

Knight-Dragon said:
Oh I don't know. Other than the laws, in real life, people of all races do mingle and mix peacefully.

Until the undercurrents of tension boil over, riots happen and people get killed, that is. I lived in Indonesia and it was pretty okay until 1998. Although it's not the same story, there was the same false sense of peace and security in race relations. And in both cases there are sections of the majority ethnic group that hate the minorities, yes? That's why you get incidents of violent crime that are at least partially race-motivated.

Knight-Dragon said:
Also do you know that the freedom to religion as enshrined in the Malaysian constitution does not extend to Malays? :lol: Malays cannot be other than Muslims - it's apostasy and punishable by law. :ack:

Yes, medieval laws are so fashionable these days :lol:

Knight-Dragon said:
Unfortunately, the ruling Malay party (which is secular) cannot afford to crack down on these overzealous religious officials - because their main Malay opposition is PAS - which is a real-life Islamic fundamentalist party. It would affect their Islamic 'credentials' and caused them to lose Malay votes. Sometimes democracies are like that...

Just goes to show that Malaysia is culturally backward by at least a century. The same people who condemn the Bible Belt must also live up to it and condemn Malaysia.

Whilst the legal framework around how different races are treated is a bit.... strange.... it does appear to me (although I have had very narrow exposure to it), that the attitudes of the people in malaysia are a great example of how a multi-cultural society should function. Everyone seems very tolerant.

See above. All it needs is one big spark and this veneer would be removed.

As for the Indians, while I feel for them, personally I think they are overreacting. I have Indian friends who went to school with me and who are doing well in life now - you just need to work your way around the rules.

How do you know? Your Indian friends are okay because things didn't turn out badly for them. You can be sure that those people who took action have real grievances.

And why do you have to work around the rules? If there are rules that are meant to disadvantage you based on your race, that's institutionalised racism.

Knight-Dragon said:
And personally I think those race rules are good for Malaysian Chinese at least - it continues to drive us to strive and excel, as well as to keep our identity. Otherwise we'd have vegetated, as a people.

Persecution is good for anyone because it drives you to strive and excel. Look at the Jews :rolleyes:

I wonder why I have never heard anyone in the media speak out against this institutionalized racism.

I suppose they pick and choose what to put on the news, and Malaysia is 'friendly' to the West, but still...

Exactly. And people tend to think that as long as you're not white you can't really be racist? A myth partly propagated by non-white people. Blame the white people is a fairly popular tactic in politics and sociology.
 
How about poor minorities? Do they now have free access to tertiary education?
Theorectically yes but I don't keep track of home news anymore so I have no idea how it works.

But the selection process is so opaque and the selection people are all Malays... <shrugs>

There has been complaints in the Chinese newspapers years ago about examples of how some Chinese with perfect results can fail to get a place in a certain desirable course and well you know...

Until the undercurrents of tension boil over, riots happen and people get killed, that is. I lived in Indonesia and it was pretty okay until 1998. Although it's not the same story, there was the same false sense of peace and security in race relations. And in both cases there are sections of the majority ethnic group that hate the minorities, yes? That's why you get incidents of violent crime that are at least partially race-motivated.
Yeah that really sucks about Indonesia. :(

But in Malaysia the Malays only make up like 55% of the pop - they won't overwhelm the rest of us so easily... Besides there are enough rich Malays around (though how they come by their wealth is questionable in most cases) that the Chinese aren't that conspicious. We are also pretty low-profiled.

How do you know? Your Indian friends are okay because things didn't turn out badly for them. You can be sure that those people who took action have real grievances.

And why do you have to work around the rules? If there are rules that are meant to disadvantage you based on your race, that's institutionalised racism.
Because my Indian friends work at it and so they're successful at it.

I myself was brought up single-handedly by my mom who's only a factory worker. And yet I managed to get thru the Malaysian system until Form Six before I went to Singapore to continue my university education there (on borrowed money from relatives ;)). I am doing well these days.

Like I said, the hurdles they put in the system only give me more drive to work at it (at least in those years long long ago :lol: ).

You create and grasp your own opportunities. There's no excuse why you shld fail (unless you're just not academic material and lazy). Esp with Singapore so close by and so eager to grab young, bright people from all over.

Persecution is good for anyone because it drives you to strive and excel. Look at the Jews :rolleyes:
What persecution? <shrugs>

All I can think of are just some inconvenient rules (that mostly can be gotten around of, using some brains). Persecution? That's laying it too thick.

Look, I am not defending the system - I agree it's crap and it has to go. But to compare it with the Jews and their history is just way out there.
 
Today, somebody from Europe told me that Malaysia is an apartheid state. Looks like there are people who think so.

By the way, the latest developments in Malaysia: The corrupt Malay-power ruling coalition is facing an unprecedented political crisis. It is fast losing popularity, even among Malays, and is wracked by scandals such as the new sodomy charges against the leader of an opposition coalition (after the ruling based on earlier charges made 10 years ago have been overturned). In response, it has invoked the Internal Security Act, which allows for indefinite detention without trial, arresting two bloggers, a Chinese opposition MP and a journalist. The bloggers are arrested for their 'inflammatory' comments on the internet. Apparently, the journalist was arrested simply for reporting on a communal dispute and then released, while the MP was arrested for complaining that the calls to prayer in her constituency are too loud, something which even the mosque(s) involved admit(s) was not done by her. Of course, these arrests have sparked criticism from inside and outside the country and show just how weak the government is.

The opposition coalition is a ragtag bunch of parties, including those that represent minorities and an Islamic fundamentalist party. But even the fundamentalists are reaching out to the minorities, promising them some change or benefit. Looks like an epic fail for the apartheid :clap:
 
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