"The Master" and "Innocence of Muslims", is it the same thing?

[wabatt]

So Muslims should be feared for their temperament and affinity for violence

I wouldn't label all Muslims as violent but yes violent people should be feared.

and the rest of the world should censor anything, in their own nations, that may upset them?!

If it is deemed to pose a significant risk to that nations citizens it should be censored.

Would this be a permanent solution? If so - is it because there's some aspect within Islam that prohibits change?
Or is this only a temporary concession to a set back people?

I don't fault Islam for countries conservatism, Turkey seems to be getting along just fine. The mid-east doesn't need to embrace atheism it needs stability and if that means a king or dictator so be it.

 

[Dachs]

I don't fault Islam for countries conservatism, Turkey seems to be getting along just fine. The mid-east doesn't need to embrace atheism it needs stability and if that means a king or dictator so be it.

The Turkish state has embraced aggressive secular social legislation ever since Atatürk. It's only recently being rolled back, and even then only slightly.

 

[bugwar]

If it is deemed to pose a significant risk to that nations citizens it should be censored.

I don't fault Islam for countries conservatism, Turkey seems to be getting along just fine. The mid-east doesn't need to embrace atheism it needs stability and if that means a king or dictator so be it.

Freedom never tastes as sweet as it does to those who have lost it.
Of course, that is only if the dullards notice it's gone.

 

[Berzerker]

organized religion sucks, islam sucks the most

and it deserves to be mocked

 

[Gatsby]

Haven't see or heard of The Master so I can't comment on that film.

I find the Innocence of Muslims objectionable not because it is unflattering to Islam but because it is an incredibly stupid vulgar film of awful quality. If you want to make an intelligent, thoughtful, civil and evidence-based criticism of Islam (or any other ideology) then go right ahead. But imo Innocence of Muslims is an excellent example of why there should be limits to freedom of speech so that people are protected from making themselves look like blithering idiots! All those angry Muslims should be grateful for this film because it makes Islam's detractors look like bigoted morons.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

If it is deemed to pose a significant risk to that nations citizens it should be censored.

It seems Germany might ban public showings of the film. Something about fearing the Salafists in Germany...

 

[caketastydelish]

I strongly dislike the idea of any countries (especially western countries) banning public showing of the film.

That said, anyone who shows the film in public is an idiot.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I seriously doubt that is going to happen given that no film has been banned by a Western country on that basis in modern history. They would have to add a lot more violence or sexual representation of children for that to occur.

 

[Borachio]

PFFFFT!!! This whole thing makes me throw my arms up in the air.

Any religion, any of them, that can't take any amount of abuse, ridicule and downright insult is a sham. But it isn't Islam itself that can't take this, but only some Islamists.

And even this seems doubtful in the present climate. It looks more as if some groups are simply taking any opportunity afforded to assault the Western hegemony represented most by the US, in any way they can.

Scientology is a dangerous joke. No one in their right mind should have anything to do with it. It is just a power trip, and a way to control other people. And reminds me very much of Freemasonry.

(All opinions expressed in this post are the author's own, and may not have any basis in reality.)

 

[Leoreth]

It seems Germany might ban public showings of the film. Something about fearing the Salafists in Germany...

No, Germany considers to employ existing legislation to stop public showings of the film. And from how I've understood the government, it's more to avoid giving far right organizations more PR (and might achieve just the opposite).

 

[del62]

Those should all be expelled back to their countries stuck in the medieval era, or imprisoned, or failing that just killed. Not only for violent actions they do themselves but for inciting others to violent action in the name of religion. Not should alliances be made with any governments of other states that foment religious violence.

The UK, in particular, is infamous for harboring such scumbags. They have their reasons, no doubt some are outright assets of the british intelligence services, some others sources of information. But they shouldn't be doing it.

Unfortunatley in a democratic society you can't just deport someone for what they say, you get lawyers involved and it becomes an expensive and onerous business.

The UK can't just deport such people especiall those that are UK Citizens.

Should we throw away hard one freedoms in the UK to deal with these people I think not, all we can do is contain, be vigilant against attacks and attempt to convince these people they are wrong, much like the thankless task I have when I post here.

 

[holy king]

Any religion, any of them, that can't take any amount of abuse, ridicule and downright insult is a sham. But it isn't Islam itself that can't take this, but only some Islamists.

Laughter kills fear, and without fear there can be no faith, because without fear of the Devil there is no more need of God.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Any secular/atheist progressive who thinks anyone should "hold back" on criticism of religion is missing the big picture.

It's not about hurting Muslim feelings just for fun. It's entirely about not saying what you really think because you fear violence and retribution.

I don't often choose to go both barrels and tell people what I really think of theism because it would make me look like a jerk and actually be counterproductive, but I maintain that I have an absolute right to go all the way if it suits me.

 

[Tycho Brahe]

Has anybody posted about Newsweeks coverstory "muslimrage"?

What's most interesting about it (in my opinion) is the funny tweets it got.

I'm having such a good hair day. No one even knows. #MuslimRage
-Hend

Ramadan in Iceland when days are 23 hours long. #muslimrage
-Simon Robinson

Lost your kid Jihad at the airport. Can't yell for him. #MuslimRage"

The 72 virgins turn out to be all males #MuslimRage
-The 47th

No halal condoms at the pharmacy? #MuslimRage
- Ahmed Al Omran (@ahmed) September 17, 2012

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/us-news-blog/2012/sep/17/muslim-rage-newsweek-magazine-twitter

http://www.keyc.tv/story/19567215/tweeters-mock-newsweeks-muslimrage-cover

 

[Formaldehyde]

Should we throw away hard one freedoms in the UK to deal with these people I think not, all we can do is contain, be vigilant against attacks and attempt to convince these people they are wrong, much like the thankless task I have when I post here.

Right. Because everybody knows how similar they are. <cough>.

 

[Borachio]

Laughter kills fear, and without fear there can be no faith, because without fear of the Devil there is no more need of God.

That reminds me of Salman Rushdie. He said (I paraphrase) a puritan is a person who suspects that somewhere someone is happy. And he doesn't like it.

Where's that link?

edit: here it is

Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy.