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Eh. I guess so. But that's by European standards; Europeans consider American Democrats to be right-wing and Republicans to be far-right, whereas Americans would think the Partido Popular is economically left-wing.
The myth of hard work and meritocracy.
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i dont know i have a hard time calling anything right of social democracy "left wing", regardless of where available parties may stand.
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"Work Smarter, Not Harder" was always a mantra I was told.
At some point you do actually have to work to achieve, and some progress plans are easier than others.
I think that is the message.
Everything else is attention-whoring.
The Dutch ChristenUnie (Christian Union) is actually such a party. They are quite small though.
I'm sorry, but I chuckled inside when you referred to a Dutch party as 'quite small'. It implied that there are some that are large - and to me (Nieu Amsterdammer that I am), everything Dutch is small.
except for your engineering and shipping firms. Those guys can move the earth. Literally.But seriously, when you say that they are small, do you mean that they have a small following in the Netherlands, or that they are weak in power? Also, is the party represented in any other nearby nations?
I'm sorry, but I chuckled inside when you referred to a Dutch party as 'quite small'. It implied that there are some that are large - and to me (Nieuw Amsterdammer that I am), everything Dutch is small.
But seriously, when you say that they are small, do you mean that they have a small following in the Netherlands, or that they are weak in power? Also, is the party represented in any other nearby nations?
As in, relatively small. They currently have 5 out of 150 seats in parliament and their all time high is 6 in 2006. They were part of the ruling coalition from 2006 to 2010 though, so they had some power.
I don't think many neighbouring countries have similar parties. Few have a political system with as many small parties as we do.
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Everyone should be paid according to the scarcity of the labour they provide and the benefits they provide to society.
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Coal dust is totally a brain stimulant.
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A CEO may not work 200 times harder than the average worker, but he is 200 times smarter. People get paid not only for how hard they work, but how smart they are. You guys minimize how difficult it is to be a CEO. Last time I checked there are no CEO's posting here. Oh right, they are working at making their companies profitable. 'nuff said.
In terms of physical labor I don't work nearly as hard as I did 20 years ago (boot camp was probably the hardest I worked). But I'm not getting paid just for my physical labor, I'm getting paid for my experience and my brains. Yes I am making more money than I ever made before, but I deserve it. My job is fairly easy, but when the crap hits the fan, I'm counted on to know what I'm doing. I'm the only who ensures things are in working order so my business can make money.
It wasn't luck that got me here. It was applying myself, and learning my trade. And yes some of it is just because I was born with above average intelligence. I see nothing wrong with that. People should get paid for being smart.
So yes I do believe hard work will get you where you want to be in life. That doesn't mean you always have to work hard. You have to start at the bottom as I did, and work your way up. Only then does it become easier. But I did my time working hard. My job isn't hard today because of my experience and my knowledge.
And for the record, no one helped me get where I am today. Certainly not the government (aside from public roads and schools). I get it by being responsible and learning my craft, and taking pride in my work.
In terms of physical labor I don't work nearly as hard as I did 20 years ago (boot camp was probably the hardest I worked). But I'm not getting paid just for my physical labor, I'm getting paid for my experience and my brains. Yes I am making more money than I ever made before, but I deserve it. My job is fairly easy, but when the crap hits the fan, I'm counted on to know what I'm doing. I'm the only who ensures things are in working order so my business can make money.
It wasn't luck that got me here. It was applying myself, and learning my trade. And yes some of it is just because I was born with above average intelligence. I see nothing wrong with that. People should get paid for being smart.
So yes I do believe hard work will get you where you want to be in life. That doesn't mean you always have to work hard. You have to start at the bottom as I did, and work your way up. Only then does it become easier. But I did my time working hard. My job isn't hard today because of my experience and my knowledge.
And for the record, no one helped me get where I am today. Certainly not the government (aside from public roads and schools). I get it by being responsible and learning my craft, and taking pride in my work.
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I'm not disgusted by it, but I am amused by it. Interesting the way that worked out. Christians should be the democrats, while athiests should be Republicans. Oh well.
Then how do you explain this?
http://media.economist.com/sites/de...s/graphic-detail/epi_ceo_worker_pay_ratio.png
source:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/05/ratio-ceo-worker-compensation
So why were CEOs pre-1997 so much relatively more stupider than the ones we have now? And doesn't the bolded line sort of imply that the intelligence of the CEO is also sometimes not correlated with company performance? I think your premise is wrong.
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What you freakin' liberals don't realize is that if everyone just worked smarter we'd all be CEOs.
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Oh I'm not arguing that there is a serious pay imbalance. There is, and it's pretty easy to measure. You can't argue the facts that there is more of a pay inbalance than there was years earlier.
Solution? I'm not sure other than unionize. We could riot, but do riots ever really work? I'm not a big fan of unions. The unions in my city go crazy if you do their job, and they won't do anything out of the scope of their job. But I still believe private unions are good (public ones I'm against because there is no competition).
You are right. Many people start their own business, nothing is stopping you from starting your own business.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Solution is rise up and kill all the bourgeoisie.
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You completely ignored my point: You claimed that CEOs deserve the massively outscale pay because they are smarter than worker drones, I challenged your assertion. Your response is that people should unionize??
Crezth
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Then all the wealth falls to their bratty children.
Kill the children too. Leave no stone unturned, no fascist capitalist left unsmoten.
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