The new infraction system explained

[Turner]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure we know the difference between discussing the problems off the coast of Somalia and illegal sharing.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I know. I was just being kind of silly. I think most people would know (unless they're really bad at English).

Actually, I think the Free Software Foundation or something objection to the term "piracy" as used in that context. I do a quick google. Hang on.

EDIT: All righty: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html

“Piracy”

Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

 

[tycoonist]

^ a good point, and one that I hadn't actually ever thought of before.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I prefer the term "copyright theft".

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Well I not going to argue about the terms here. But I would suggest that its made more clearly in the rules what it refers to.

 

[Skwink]

Well I not going to argue about the terms here. But I would suggest that its made more clearly in the rules what it refers to.

Nobody is going to think that that rule refers to Somalia.

 

[Silurian]

This is why I proposed making it harder to get the first ban, but easier to get subsequent ones. Raise the threshold for innocent stupidity, and lower it for repeat offenders.

Does anybody see anything wrong with my idea

Every month, one infraction point removed from oldest infraction if no infractions or ban period in last month.

If people do one or two small things now and again they will be forgiven so will not get a ban. Since they are forgiven only one point if they do nothing wrong for a month it is less open to gaming than the hovering between bands suggestion plus if people were being extra careful when they were close to a ban it would be good anyway.

 

[Abaddon]

Nobody is going to think that that rule refers to Somalia.

You would be surprised how many aspies we have on this board who would...

 

[ori]

Does anybody see anything wrong with my idea

it cannot be implemented within the vbulletin infraction system

 

[Abaddon]

Silurian's system is incredibly simple, but would actually work. Giving the most ardent infraction surfers only 1 infraction a month would solve them. It would also solve people who constantly, but only slightly annoy, since they would build up points and be easily banned unless they changed their ways.

 

[ori]

Silurian's system is incredibly simple, but would actually work. Giving the most ardent infraction surfers only 1 infraction a month would solve them. It would also solve people who constantly, but only slightly annoy, since they would build up points and be easily banned unless they changed their ways.

I didn't comment on the merits of the proposal - just that with the forum software used it does not seem possible to implement.

 

[Abaddon]

Mods have the power to set a infractions length.. how much extra work would it be to manually set each infraction to last a month longer than any current infractions that user has?



#Out of curiosity, how many people (in general) are there on CFC with with infractions? we talking 10's, 100's, 1000's!?

 

[ori]

Mods have the power to set a infractions length.. how much extra work would it be to manually set each infraction to last a month longer than any current infractions that user has?

This is a different proposal, you'd have an infraction expire every month while Silurian would have a point expire every month.

 

[Turner]

Mods have the power to set a infractions length.. how much extra work would it be to manually set each infraction to last a month longer than any current infractions that user has?

In order to set a manual infraction we have to enter the data into fields directly. When we use a 'standard' or 'regular' infraction, it's clicking a radio button, and a checkbox if it's supposed to be a warning. So we generally don't set a manual infraction.

#Out of curiosity, how many people (in general) are there on CFC with with infractions? we talking 10's, 100's, 1000's!?

Hard to say without counting. Mods don't have a panel to look at that shows infractions, it just shows up on a user's page. 1,000's, probably, if you count adspammers. Maybe3 the admins have that information, but without going through the infraction forum manually we don't.

 

[Abaddon]

I don't mean that have been handed out ever.. i mean that are actually "active" posters with infractions. Just trying to work out how many all this even affects?

@ Ori.. if anything was worth 2 or 3 infractions, then it last 2 or three months instead?

 

[Turner]

No, I answered your question correctly. We've probably had that many adspammers over the years.

 

[Abaddon]

There are 1000's of posters this very moment with active infraction points?

 

[Turner]

There are 1000's of adspammers with active points that can't post right now.

Now, if we take those out of the equation, I really couldn't tell you. I'm sure if I had SQL Access to the user database i could figure it out, but....

 

[Senethro]

When does this new moderation scheme come into effect?

I also think its pretty good but that it needs to be made clear that there is a big change happening otherwise people will miss it, post according to the old rules and then whine when banned.

It is not harsh; it is the law. If anyone is caught using our PM system for illegal file sharing, they will be permanently banned.

Are we allowed to attempt to contact people for files and then report them if they provide or is that not playing fair?

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Are we allowed to attempt to contact people for files and then report them if they provide or is that not playing fair?

I would think you would also get into trouble for asking.

I hope the new rules are mostly publized when they come out, maybe announcement. I think its good that the mods are reconsidering it before putting it into force.