Brucha I am writing a story in the civ 4 stories and tales. I am playing as America in a Napoleon mod that I modified. Anyway I have a good start on the story and Sweden declared war on me. Anyway I am trying to have the U.S. declare war back, so I found a old fashionsioned parchment image, and I have the text for a declaration of war, but when I try to add the text to the image with the paint.net program, I don't know how to get the text to fit inside the image. I am going to try something I just thought of, but if you have any advice, on how to do this please let me know.
- The October Revolution Part 1 - Fall of the Tsars
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It seems that Europe needed only one tiny match to spark a world-wide conflict that begun in South Africa between the tiny Boer Republic and the vastly evil, capitalistic and brutish British Empire. Before the turn was over, the peace on Europe quickly unraveled as one nation after the next joined the fray on one side or the other, but mainly lining up against the Central Powers. At first, it seemed that the conflict was shaping up to be a simulation of the First World War. Civ3 style.
As mentioned in my last post, the Entente alliance was quickly formed, pitting Britain, France, Scandinavia, the Balkans, Chile and the Ottomans against the German/Austro-Hungarian alliance, with the tiny Boer Republic left all alone and forgotten in Africa, but still at war with Britain.
I had decided that, after some debate here in the thread as to my reactions to this sudden conflict, it was prudent to hold back and watch the war for a while. An attack on the Austro-Hungarian Empire looked the most promising, with but limited objectives to secure several eastern A-H cities to use as a buffer zone against European aggression as well as capturing and securing some well-needed resources in the region.
As French and British armies began moving into China from Indochina and India (obviously bound for the Germany-held city of Tsingtao), my first priority was to make sure that my Chinese territories were well protected from invasion. I shifted two entire armies from the European front and sent them east via rail to Pusan. There, they boarded awaiting steam transports. The first army easily reached the city of Shanghai that turn, and disembarked into the city. The second army needed to make the 2-turn trip to Hong Kong. To be safe, I attached my large East Asiatic Fleet with them as escort for the trip.
I immediately set about to organize two new armies to replace those removed from the European front as well as organizing a third in Korea to use as a reserve force in the Far East.
I studied the map quite lengthy before ending the turn. I half-expected any of the nations now embroiled in this unexpected war to declare war on Russia, even though I had no MA’s nor made any moves of aggression.
Hoping everything was in place, I hit the End Turn button and sat back to watch the fun. I was not prepared for what happened next. In all, that glorious Entente alliance of European nations did not last more than one turn. Shock and amazement at what happened next is a better description.
It started out as I expected though. The Low Countries sign an MA with Chile against the poor Boers. Obviously the vast British Empire can’t deal with a few African country boys one their own it seems. Then Austro-Hungary are obliged by their locked alliance with Germany to declare war on the Ottomans. The Low Countries then declare war on Germany, followed by Austro-Hungary declaring war on them in turn. Finally, Austro-Hungary declares war on Scandinavia.
So far, nothing out of the ordinary. The conflict does seem to be paralleling the Great War, except that the Turks have sided with the Entente. All the major countries (besides Italy and Spain) have joined the Entente against the German/Austro-Hungarian alliance. Tsingtao will fall before the large allied forces marching on it. The Central Powers will now have to fight a war on all fronts, from the west, east south and north. Interesting. And I am at peace, to watch it all from the sidelines while continuing to build up my massive Russian forces.
Then it happens. Suddenly, without warning, I get a pop-up announcement that the British Empire has declared war on France……wait……what ?!?!?!? I also watch as the two large French and British forces that had been marching up from the south bound for Tsingtao, their mutual enemy but one turn earlier, had now turned about face and began marching back towards French Indochina. What the heck is going on?
I was so shocked that I immediately saved the game, and re-booted Week 45, 1904. Why would the British do this? Did I miss something? A strange situation of MA’s or did France really declare war in the first place? Nope, no MA’s that would force this issue, nor was I wrong in the initial declarations of war and MA’s. For some bizarre, inexplicable reason that makes no sense to me what so ever, the British Empire took the Entente alliance that had been formed and tore it up in a single turn.
I then watch as the British troops fall back through Indochina towards India, only to be set upon by the French forces that HAD been accompanying them to Tsingtao. The French infantry first attack the retreating British force, but end up getting battered pretty badly.
Suddenly, a force of French cavalry appears from the direction of Kunming to the north and hits the retreating British from the west. In all, the French end up losing 9 cavalry and 5 legionnaire divisions to the British losses of 3 colonial infantry and 6 Indian infantry divisions.
Meanwhile, Scandinavia launches a seaborne invasion of the heartland of Germany, landing two cavalry divisions outside of the city of Stettin.
A swift German counter attack out of Berlin quickly destroys the tiny invasion force.
When the war broke out, my biggest fear was that the two victory point leaders, France and Britain, would shoot out even farther ahead in vp’s now that they were allied, as well as gaining even more territory. Tsingtao, it seemed at first, was destined to fall, either to the French of British, thus securing another European colony in mainland China. Its seemed that the Central Powers were going to be ground up by the Entente alliance in Europe and their overseas possessions gobbled up.
Now, beyond all hope, Tsingtao was saved and the alliance’s most powerful nations were at war with one another. Here I was preparing to back-stab Austro-Hungary and invade in a few turns and I was genuinely rooting for Tsingtao’s miraculous turn of events!
I begin sending forward naval vessels, air ships and cavalry on all fronts to watch this growing conflict so I can have a better picture of what is going on.
Week 49, 1904
The following week sees the conflict spread even more, when the Italian declare war on the British Empire, followed by the Low Countries and Ottomans signing an MA against the British. The Entente alliance, it seems, is tearing itself apart at the seems…and the British government is the new enemy!
It continues along these lines as the alliance against Britain grows. The Japanese and Low Countries sign an MA against the British, followed by the Low Countries and China signing an MA against the British as well. The Balkans and British, meanwhile sign an MA against Italy, and finally New Granda and France sign an MA against Britian.
On the Western Front, the Dutch waste no time and immediately go on the offensive by invading Germany.
Initially, the offensive is successful, overrunning a few German divisions along the front. The Dutch surround Hamburg with three colonial infantry divisions, and advance past Dusseldorf with fourteen infantry divisions and push on Berlin and Dresden.
In Indochina, the British forces continue to fall back towards India with the French in hot pursuit. At the same time, my army arrives at Hong Kong via steam transports. Now I can breathe a little easier; both Hong Kong and Shanghai are adequately defended by large armies with artillery in tow.
Finally, the Turks make a pathetic stab into Austro-Hungary by advancing north from Thessaloniki to attack Budapest with a couple of Turkish infantry divisions which are easily defeated by the city’s garrison.
Week 1, 1905
Over in French Indochina, the hapless British forces continued to fall back towards India, with the French in hot pursuit. To watch the retreat, I used several newly air ships to recon the area and watch what transpired.
All of a sudden, the retreating British were hit out of nowhere by Turkish irregular camel cavalry from the west, then from the north by Chinese infantry and cavalry, and all over by the pursuing French troops. In all, it appears that only a couple of British divisions managed to retreat back into India, the other having been wiped out.
Back in Europe, the Dutch Leopold Offensive mysteriously bogs down as the Dutch halt any more advances or attacks.
The Germans and Austro-Hungarians, however, do not wait to see what the Dutch are going to do and swiftly counter-attack all along the front. In three separate counter-attacks, the Central Powers manages to destroy all three Dutch divisions surrounding Hamburg and push back the salient near Dresden back all the way to the Dutch border, throwing the Dutch completely out of Germany.
For several years, my Black Sea and Baltic Sea fleets have been bottled up in port, unable to gain access to the open ocean due to other nations’ naval vessels (namely the Scandinavians in the Baltic, and the Balkans in the Black Sea). My Baltic Sea fleet is still blocked by Scandinavian ships near Copenhagen, but I suddenly see an opening near Greece and make a break for it, hoping to have my fleet be able to escape into the Mediterranean.
The British try to persuade me into joining in the growing conflict by putting forth an offer, which I immediately refuse:
Week 4, 7 and 10, 1905
With the complete collapse and defeat of the Dutch Leopold Offensive, it is the French’s turn to launch an attack into Germany, with limited support by the Dutch. In all, the French throw 15 infantry divisions and the Dutch but 5 infantry divisions into the offensive.
The French quickly overrun the front, destroying a couple of weakened German and A-H division along the border. Amazingly, the French push clear past Dusseldorf and even Berlin, and onto the city of Stettin in the first two turns. The Dutch manage only to advance 5 colonial infantry divisions to the outskirts of Dusseldorf. The German response is amazingly non-existent and don’t even try to throw the French back. The French continue their offensive in Week 10 by trying to exploit the deep penetration into German lands by assaulting the city of Stettin, but gets managled horribly, losing six infantry divisions.
In Week 7, 1905, the gap to Mediterranean is closed by the Turks at Constantinople, and only the lone destroyer, Smyeli, escapes the Black Sea. Damn!
The mounting alliance against Britain continues to grow when, in Week 7, Hispanoiola and France sign an MA against the British. However, this alliance too succumbs to whatever invisible forces that brought down the Entente alliance when, in Week 10, 1905, the Dutch suddenly turn on the French and declare war on France, followed by Italy also declaring war on France as well. My God, this war makes no sense!
By Week 10, 1905, I have completed researching Field Guns II and start on Industrialization II, and now can begin upgrading my horse artillery to some useful type of artillery.
EDIT: I am going to have to sit down and actually draw out the various MA's and declarations of war on paper to keep track of them all. The MA's have been flying back and forth now that I have already forgotten just who declared war on whom, and with whom!
As mentioned in my last post, the Entente alliance was quickly formed, pitting Britain, France, Scandinavia, the Balkans, Chile and the Ottomans against the German/Austro-Hungarian alliance, with the tiny Boer Republic left all alone and forgotten in Africa, but still at war with Britain.
I had decided that, after some debate here in the thread as to my reactions to this sudden conflict, it was prudent to hold back and watch the war for a while. An attack on the Austro-Hungarian Empire looked the most promising, with but limited objectives to secure several eastern A-H cities to use as a buffer zone against European aggression as well as capturing and securing some well-needed resources in the region.
As French and British armies began moving into China from Indochina and India (obviously bound for the Germany-held city of Tsingtao), my first priority was to make sure that my Chinese territories were well protected from invasion. I shifted two entire armies from the European front and sent them east via rail to Pusan. There, they boarded awaiting steam transports. The first army easily reached the city of Shanghai that turn, and disembarked into the city. The second army needed to make the 2-turn trip to Hong Kong. To be safe, I attached my large East Asiatic Fleet with them as escort for the trip.
I immediately set about to organize two new armies to replace those removed from the European front as well as organizing a third in Korea to use as a reserve force in the Far East.
I studied the map quite lengthy before ending the turn. I half-expected any of the nations now embroiled in this unexpected war to declare war on Russia, even though I had no MA’s nor made any moves of aggression.
Hoping everything was in place, I hit the End Turn button and sat back to watch the fun. I was not prepared for what happened next. In all, that glorious Entente alliance of European nations did not last more than one turn. Shock and amazement at what happened next is a better description.
It started out as I expected though. The Low Countries sign an MA with Chile against the poor Boers. Obviously the vast British Empire can’t deal with a few African country boys one their own it seems. Then Austro-Hungary are obliged by their locked alliance with Germany to declare war on the Ottomans. The Low Countries then declare war on Germany, followed by Austro-Hungary declaring war on them in turn. Finally, Austro-Hungary declares war on Scandinavia.
So far, nothing out of the ordinary. The conflict does seem to be paralleling the Great War, except that the Turks have sided with the Entente. All the major countries (besides Italy and Spain) have joined the Entente against the German/Austro-Hungarian alliance. Tsingtao will fall before the large allied forces marching on it. The Central Powers will now have to fight a war on all fronts, from the west, east south and north. Interesting. And I am at peace, to watch it all from the sidelines while continuing to build up my massive Russian forces.
Then it happens. Suddenly, without warning, I get a pop-up announcement that the British Empire has declared war on France……wait……what ?!?!?!? I also watch as the two large French and British forces that had been marching up from the south bound for Tsingtao, their mutual enemy but one turn earlier, had now turned about face and began marching back towards French Indochina. What the heck is going on?
I was so shocked that I immediately saved the game, and re-booted Week 45, 1904. Why would the British do this? Did I miss something? A strange situation of MA’s or did France really declare war in the first place? Nope, no MA’s that would force this issue, nor was I wrong in the initial declarations of war and MA’s. For some bizarre, inexplicable reason that makes no sense to me what so ever, the British Empire took the Entente alliance that had been formed and tore it up in a single turn.
I then watch as the British troops fall back through Indochina towards India, only to be set upon by the French forces that HAD been accompanying them to Tsingtao. The French infantry first attack the retreating British force, but end up getting battered pretty badly.
Suddenly, a force of French cavalry appears from the direction of Kunming to the north and hits the retreating British from the west. In all, the French end up losing 9 cavalry and 5 legionnaire divisions to the British losses of 3 colonial infantry and 6 Indian infantry divisions.
Meanwhile, Scandinavia launches a seaborne invasion of the heartland of Germany, landing two cavalry divisions outside of the city of Stettin.
A swift German counter attack out of Berlin quickly destroys the tiny invasion force.
When the war broke out, my biggest fear was that the two victory point leaders, France and Britain, would shoot out even farther ahead in vp’s now that they were allied, as well as gaining even more territory. Tsingtao, it seemed at first, was destined to fall, either to the French of British, thus securing another European colony in mainland China. Its seemed that the Central Powers were going to be ground up by the Entente alliance in Europe and their overseas possessions gobbled up.
Now, beyond all hope, Tsingtao was saved and the alliance’s most powerful nations were at war with one another. Here I was preparing to back-stab Austro-Hungary and invade in a few turns and I was genuinely rooting for Tsingtao’s miraculous turn of events!
I begin sending forward naval vessels, air ships and cavalry on all fronts to watch this growing conflict so I can have a better picture of what is going on.
Week 49, 1904
The following week sees the conflict spread even more, when the Italian declare war on the British Empire, followed by the Low Countries and Ottomans signing an MA against the British. The Entente alliance, it seems, is tearing itself apart at the seems…and the British government is the new enemy!
It continues along these lines as the alliance against Britain grows. The Japanese and Low Countries sign an MA against the British, followed by the Low Countries and China signing an MA against the British as well. The Balkans and British, meanwhile sign an MA against Italy, and finally New Granda and France sign an MA against Britian.
On the Western Front, the Dutch waste no time and immediately go on the offensive by invading Germany.
Initially, the offensive is successful, overrunning a few German divisions along the front. The Dutch surround Hamburg with three colonial infantry divisions, and advance past Dusseldorf with fourteen infantry divisions and push on Berlin and Dresden.
In Indochina, the British forces continue to fall back towards India with the French in hot pursuit. At the same time, my army arrives at Hong Kong via steam transports. Now I can breathe a little easier; both Hong Kong and Shanghai are adequately defended by large armies with artillery in tow.
Finally, the Turks make a pathetic stab into Austro-Hungary by advancing north from Thessaloniki to attack Budapest with a couple of Turkish infantry divisions which are easily defeated by the city’s garrison.
Week 1, 1905
Over in French Indochina, the hapless British forces continued to fall back towards India, with the French in hot pursuit. To watch the retreat, I used several newly air ships to recon the area and watch what transpired.
All of a sudden, the retreating British were hit out of nowhere by Turkish irregular camel cavalry from the west, then from the north by Chinese infantry and cavalry, and all over by the pursuing French troops. In all, it appears that only a couple of British divisions managed to retreat back into India, the other having been wiped out.
Back in Europe, the Dutch Leopold Offensive mysteriously bogs down as the Dutch halt any more advances or attacks.
The Germans and Austro-Hungarians, however, do not wait to see what the Dutch are going to do and swiftly counter-attack all along the front. In three separate counter-attacks, the Central Powers manages to destroy all three Dutch divisions surrounding Hamburg and push back the salient near Dresden back all the way to the Dutch border, throwing the Dutch completely out of Germany.
For several years, my Black Sea and Baltic Sea fleets have been bottled up in port, unable to gain access to the open ocean due to other nations’ naval vessels (namely the Scandinavians in the Baltic, and the Balkans in the Black Sea). My Baltic Sea fleet is still blocked by Scandinavian ships near Copenhagen, but I suddenly see an opening near Greece and make a break for it, hoping to have my fleet be able to escape into the Mediterranean.
The British try to persuade me into joining in the growing conflict by putting forth an offer, which I immediately refuse:
Week 4, 7 and 10, 1905
With the complete collapse and defeat of the Dutch Leopold Offensive, it is the French’s turn to launch an attack into Germany, with limited support by the Dutch. In all, the French throw 15 infantry divisions and the Dutch but 5 infantry divisions into the offensive.
The French quickly overrun the front, destroying a couple of weakened German and A-H division along the border. Amazingly, the French push clear past Dusseldorf and even Berlin, and onto the city of Stettin in the first two turns. The Dutch manage only to advance 5 colonial infantry divisions to the outskirts of Dusseldorf. The German response is amazingly non-existent and don’t even try to throw the French back. The French continue their offensive in Week 10 by trying to exploit the deep penetration into German lands by assaulting the city of Stettin, but gets managled horribly, losing six infantry divisions.
In Week 7, 1905, the gap to Mediterranean is closed by the Turks at Constantinople, and only the lone destroyer, Smyeli, escapes the Black Sea. Damn!
The mounting alliance against Britain continues to grow when, in Week 7, Hispanoiola and France sign an MA against the British. However, this alliance too succumbs to whatever invisible forces that brought down the Entente alliance when, in Week 10, 1905, the Dutch suddenly turn on the French and declare war on France, followed by Italy also declaring war on France as well. My God, this war makes no sense!
By Week 10, 1905, I have completed researching Field Guns II and start on Industrialization II, and now can begin upgrading my horse artillery to some useful type of artillery.
EDIT: I am going to have to sit down and actually draw out the various MA's and declarations of war on paper to keep track of them all. The MA's have been flying back and forth now that I have already forgotten just who declared war on whom, and with whom!
ChaosArbiter
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This, my friend, is glory! Beauty! Chaos incarnate, to be truly loved by those on the side of Law! And why I've been playing this mod more than CivIII - there are more declarations of war in this scenario than there are in the 1000-turn Pangaea games I play.
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This, my friend, is glory! Beauty! Chaos incarnate, to be truly loved by those on the side of Law! And why I've been playing this mod more than CivIII - there are more declarations of war in this scenario than there are in the 1000-turn Pangaea games I play.
Truly chaos indeed in its purist form! This has to be the first time playing Civ3 that so many declarations of war and MA's did not result in bad things happening to be but rather turned out to greatly benefit me no matter how it works out.
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To truly understand (and thus be completely confused by the outbreak of war) the sheer mass of declarations of war and military alliances, here's some pics.
First the current declarations of war:
Fairly straight foward and easy to comprehend, right?
And then the current military alliances:
If you can look at this jumbled mess and make sense of it your much better than I. The above pic is a good example of just how overwhelmed I am right now in trying to keep track of all those MA's.....
First the current declarations of war:
Spoiler :
Fairly straight foward and easy to comprehend, right?
And then the current military alliances:
Spoiler :
If you can look at this jumbled mess and make sense of it your much better than I. The above pic is a good example of just how overwhelmed I am right now in trying to keep track of all those MA's.....
CivAgamemnon
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Puts me in mind of a parliament in any industrialized nation... all that squabbling and childish bickering.
Well, that's pretty much how it existed just prior to The Great War.
If you want to make it more clear, just declare war on everyone!
(joking, of course)
Edit: Everything is tied back to the Brits and Germans, ultimately, which makes sense.
Well, that's pretty much how it existed just prior to The Great War.
If you want to make it more clear, just declare war on everyone!
(joking, of course)Edit: Everything is tied back to the Brits and Germans, ultimately, which makes sense.
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Very true - I am jsut glad I am not embroiled in this mess right now. The way these declarations of war and MA's came about, I am now a little nervous about going to war. I have never put much faith into the AI's ability to honor them, and this is a prime example of how a small conflict can quickly grow beyond your ability to hem it in and not spark literally a world war. Or the AI's ability not to suddenly turn on you just when you think you are safe from being backstabbed.
ChaosArbiter
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Well, you shouldn't try to keep track of MAs - there's no reason, for example, for the Boers and Ottomans not to sign an MA against the Dutch/Belgians. The AI is really just too dumb.
CivAgamemnon
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And there's no MPP's in AoI 3 (or the upcoming 4 release for that matter), unless you've re-enabled it.
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No, that I left in place - I thought that MPP's would make the scnario even more difficult for me. Plus I thought that the German/A-H locked alliance would cause havok with MPP's in the game.
ChaosArbiter
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Heh. Hey Brucha, have you gotten any Corps yet? I'm wondering how many it's possible to have at any given time ....
I have one as Chile and I have conquered half of South America by now. Preparing for war against Argentina and I'm furiously trying to get to Central America for Industrialization resource. I have 14 or 15 cities but I haven't got more than one Corps yet.
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I have the Military Academy built in Saint Petersburg, but have yet to get a victorious elite unit in combat to create a military leader
The problem is that I can only build regular army units right now, so they tend to die off in combat and only a couple of units have managed to stay alive and reach elite status. You would think that with so much combat I have had involving so many units that I would have gotten a military leader by now.....
What I have noticed with Chile is that Military Academy only lets you build veteran units in the city where it is built. I'm quite sure I didn't mess it up with the name and I'm pretty sure that I have researched further than Brucha as I'm 3 turns away from Armored Cars. Then I would just need that Industrialization for many many buildings and units.
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What I have noticed with Chile is that Military Academy only lets you build veteran units in the city where it is built. I'm quite sure I didn't mess it up with the name and I'm pretty sure that I have researched further than Brucha as I'm 3 turns away from Armored Cars. Then I would just need that Industrialization for many many buildings and units.
By God, Arexander, you are right about Military Academies building veteran units! I never noticed it before
The pedia entry mentions nothing about this, so I never bothered to look at units I built in Saint Petersburg where the Academy is! With so many units being built each turn, the vet units being produced in the city fell through my perceptional cracks!
CivAgamemnon
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Try to remember that Civilopedia of AoI v3.0 is quite out-of-date. That entry is straight from original CivIII.
Won't have that problem with V4, out very soon!
