- The October Revolution Part 1 - Fall of the Tsars

[CivAgamemnon]

Silly Brucha. Trix is for kids!

 

[Brucha]

Week 13 - 16, 1905
Strangely, the German and Austro-Hungarian response to the Dutch and French invasion of Germany has not been what I expected. I am seeing no large numbers of units that I thought to expect. In fact, the Central Powers seems to be in grave trouble.

On the Western Front, the French have pushed their front lines as far as Stettin and Berlin, but their offensive seems to have bogged down at this point. The Dutch, having advanced only as far as Dusseldorf seem content to hold only to the meager land gains captured in front of the city and advance no further.

One thing I had not noticed is that the German city of Strassburg had fallen to the French in the past couple of turns.

On the other hand, the Germans and Austro-Hungarians seem to be unable to push the invading forces back or even re-capture the loss of Strassburg. The Central Powers, it seems, is a paper tiger.

The Central Powers launches a series of counter attacks against the French in an attempt to push the French back over two weeks - first near Stettin and Berlin and then a second attack near Berlin. The attacks amount to very little, killing a couple of units on both sides, but leaving the front line as is.

Week 19, 1905
The Central Powers are not able to throw back the French from German soil it seems, and Germany has lost its first city already. I, on the other hand, am ready for war. Keeping with the same plans as mentioned before, I first plant a spies in Berlin and Wien, then steal military plans for both the Germans and Austro-Hungarians. With these plans, I can see all Central Powers forces all over the world. What I see shocks me.

In Germany, garrisoning just eight cities, are a total of 41 infantry, 2 cavalry, 11 MG’s, and 6 artillery. Austo-Hungary is defended by even less, with 37 infantry, 3 cavalry,
10 MG’s and 4 artillery.

However, a glance at Germany’s naval forces shocks me even more: I spot at least 13 dreadnoughts surrounding the coast of Britain (I have no idea as to the strength of the British navay) and at least 25+ more all through the Atlantic and Caribbean. I also notice that the French made a seaborne landing in Ireland, capturing the city of Cork.

With the Central Powers seemingly frozen and bogged down by the Dutch and French offensives on the Western Front, its time that I launch my own offensives. This involves a massive offensive all along the Eastern Front, with the main purpose of capturing the cities of Lamberg and Krakow. In all, the Tsar allots a massive force for the operation, totaling 105 infantry and cavalry divisions, and 65 artillery batteries (although large, the Russian on the eastern front initially mobilized 115 infantry divisions, 38 cavalry divisions and nearly 8,000 artillery guns). To face such daunting numbers, the Central Powers had maybe half that.

On Week 13, The Russian offensive opens with the Russian 1st, 2nd and 3rd Armies cross the frontier near Lemberg and Krakow.

The initial advance is met with no enemy resistance and all three armies quickly reach their objectives. Reaching the outskirts of Lemberg, the Russian 1st and 3rd Armies quickly advance on the city and begin shelling it with 26 batteries of the new Russian field artillery guns.

The first major Russian assault came after the short artillery barrage, with the 1st Army moving forward from the east and south. The 8th Cavalry Corps was ordered to capture the road junctions east of the city. This area was heavily defended by enemy machine guns, particularly in the region of the crossroads, and the Russian advance was forced forward into heavy machine gun fire. Despite three separate attempts, the 8th Cavalry were unable to advance on the road junction and two entire divisions were lost and the third, the 70th Cavalry division, nearly wiped out.

The 2nd Infantry and 3rd Cavalry Corps were then ordered forward to break the enemy line but they too were met by stiff enemy resistance. The 2nd Infantry was forced to withdraw with heavy losses, losing two entire divisions, while the 3rd Cavalry managed to briefly capture several enemy positions and captured several enemy machine guns positions before they ultimately were also forced to withdraw with heavy losses (two divisions wiped out and the third red-lined).

On 9 August, the 6th Cavalry Corps was ordered to continue the attack on the crossroads. At first, the 6th Cavalry met deadly enemy resistance and the two forward divisions stormed the enemy positions, causing some losses (red-lines an infantry division) but are forced back with heavy losses (both cavalry divisions are destroyed). Despite heavy losses, the remaining division, the 34th Siberian Cossacks, overruns the enemy position, wiping out the weakened infantry division.

After the initial gains to the south, the exhausted 1st Army halted its attacks while the 3rd Army prepared to launch its assault from the north. Despite heavy losses, the 9th and 11th cavalry Corps were able to overrun enemy positions in a swift advance (destroying 4 infantry divisions) with minimal losses (no division destroyed) and by the evening of the 10th of August, the city capitulated. With the capture of the city, I also gain control of another Phony Wonder:

As the battle for Lemberg unfolds, the Germans declare war on Russia. Prepared for this, the Tsar had positioned two Russian armies along the German front. Now, the order is given for an offensive to begin to the north. As the 1st and 3rd armies were attacking Lemberg, two other armies crosses the frontier and march on Konigsberg. The initial Russian advance meets no enemy resistance and the Russian 4th Army captures enemy trench works just outside of the city with ease, while the 5th Army approaches the city from the east. The move is intended only to bottle up troops in the city and hopefully draw off troops from my invasion to the south.

As the turn winds down, several interesting things occur. First, the Scandinavians make a seaborne attack on the German city of Stettin with naval infantry and, amazingly, the city falls. Then I notice that the Germans capture the cities of Livingstone in Africa from the British.

Week 22, 1905
The Germans and Austro-Hungarians are almost on the verge of collapse, I fear. The Central Powers has so far lost three cities, and I believe that the French might be able to gain more ground on the western front. I could easily drive my offensive deep into German and Austro-Hungarian lands, but I fear that this would lead to a total collapse of their territories in Europe and I would find myself with a much strengthen French presence. Therefore, I decide to end my advance as soon as Krakow and then halt all hostilities.

In fact, the Austro-Hungarians seem particularly weak when I begin the assault on Krakow. The Russian 3rd Army moves north from Lemberg to support 2nd Army’s attack, but they are not needed. The initial artillery bombardment of both armies (totaling 26 artillery batteries)is so devastating that it red-lined all four defending enemy units within the city.

The capture of the city requires only 4 divisions out of the entire army. The 27th Cavalry leads the attack and overruns an MG position, followed by a mad charge by the 11th Cavalry division that results in the destruction of two entire infantry divisions. The 10th Siberian Cossacks division’s attack is also greatly successful as they overrun an infantry and cavalry division. Finally, the 7th Cavalry division overruns the last remaining defender (a home guard) and captures the city.

In addition to the fall of the city I capture another Phony Wonder:

For their gallant efforts in capturing the city, all but the 27th Cavalry are made elite.

At this point, I am really concerned about the Central Powers' ability to withstand a general collapse. So, I decide to pull back from Konigsberg and consolidate my recent gains and cancel any further offenseive operations. Thankfully, neither the French, Scandinavians nor Dutch seem willing to continue their offensives and the western front quiets down. As soon as I can, I get Austro-Hungary to sign a peace treaty in Week 31, 1905 for 13 gpt.

It now seems certain that, if I don't come to the aid of the Central Powers, they both might lose all their European cities. And once agian, as in my last Russian story, I will be having to prop up a declining and failing German state.

 

[nokmirt]

Hmm...I wonder what has made the central powers so weak. You could simply overrun them. I hope they come into their own during the years of WWII. Imagine Europe without Germany, partitioned like Poland. One hell of a power vacuum would occur. France against Russia for the hegemony of Europe...Wow! I cannot wait to see what else occurs.

 

[Arexander]

Very good! I believe you have a mistake with images in the last one.

 

[Brucha]

Hmm...I wonder what has made the central powers so weak. You could simply overrun them. I hope they come into their own during the years of WWII. Imagine Europe without Germany, partitioned like Poland. One hell of a power vacuum would occur. France against Russia for the hegemony of Europe...Wow! I cannot wait to see what else occurs.

From the vast numbers of dreadnoughts in the Atlantic, it seems the Germans more naval ships than ground forces. Other than that, I can;t figure out why the Central Powers are so weak. It sertainly seems to be coming down to a standoff with the French in Europe though...

Very good! I believe you have a mistake with images in the last one.

What mistake? I don't see anything Though I do tend to make pic mistakes from time to time

 

[CivAgamemnon]

What mistake? I don't see anything

You have the battle of Krakow pic posted twice.

 

[Brucha]

There we go, fixed - it was supposed to be a pic of the wonder not a duplicate of the battle. See I do often make mistakes when posting!

 

[ChaosArbiter]

From the vast numbers of dreadnoughts in the Atlantic, it seems the Germans more naval ships than ground forces. Other than that, I can;t figure out why the Central Powers are so weak.

Check their military strength via the Military Advisor ... odds are they've got one sizable force of *Colonial* troops, compared to their European holdings.

 

[Loki130]

From the vast numbers of dreadnoughts in the Atlantic, it seems the Germans more naval ships than ground forces. Other than that, I can;t figure out why the Central Powers are so weak.

As I recall from playing germany, there's little defense in the beginning, mgs are slow to build when they come along, and there's a lot else to build anyway. In fact, when I launched invasions, I sometimes had to leave some of my home cities undefended keep the attack moving.

 

[ChaosArbiter]

As I recall from playing germany, there's little defense in the beginning, mgs are slow to build when they come along, and there's a lot else to build anyway. In fact, when I launched invasions, I sometimes had to leave some of my home cities undefended keep the attack moving.

But it's 1905 already. (On Regent) My first invasions are against the Dutch/Belgians and then the Balcans, both launched by 1900 at the latest, and I've got more than enough German Infantry and Maxims to defend all my cities. Even with 5-Turn Research, after a few turns go by you should have enough cash to start rushing things.

 

[Arexander]

It shouldn't take so much money to research in 5 turns. As Chile I have all money go to the treasury (10.0.0) and still can research in 5 turns. What I do is simply put excess villagers (that cannot work on any squares) to scientists. I keep a little of them as entertainers to keep people happy.

 

[Brucha]

My overall strategic plans are not going the direction that I had initially thought they would. After my successful invasion of Austro-Hungary, I imagined that I would end up reversing my stance on the Central Powers and come to their aid to prevent their complete collapse in Europe against the French. My end goal has remained the same though - to try to weather the coming revolution and keep Russia intact. However, developments far from Europe force me to change my overall tactics drastically.

After securing peace with the Central Powers, my first goal was to replace the losses suffered to my armies on the eastern front. I am already into the second tech tree which ultimately ends with the October Revolution, so time is important. By Week 40 of 1905, I managed to replace nearly all my losses on the eastern front and new city improvements (mostly ones affecting production and happiness) become available. So, I begin switching most cities over to building these as war weariness is still a major problem.

Thankfully, at the same time, France and the Central Powers end their war and sign a peace treaty. For now, I don’t have to worry about France sweeping eastwards. Instead, two turns later, the former enemies sign an MA against the Balkans, followed by both sides turning on the Low Countries in a MA. One good thing to hear is a peace treaty signed in Week 43, 1905, between Britain and the Boers. Amazingly, the Boers survived the war with England intact and lost no cities, though they were not able to expand in Africa neither.

The Central Powers, simply not content with getting their butts kicked by the Dutch, Scandinavians and French previously, decide to expand the new war to include the USA for some reason. By the turn of 1906, the war in Europe has flamed up again, to now include the Italians against the Central Powers. I don’t think that western Europe is going to see any length of peace for the rest of the game…

Russia, meanwhile, sits back and watches everything unfolding - I don’t think there is any risk that the Dutch, Italians or Balkans have any chance to collapse the Central Powers, especially with France on their side. No, my attention is soon draw overseas. I took some time to look over the overall map to see if there were any territories that had changed hands in the first series of wars.

The British, it seems, have been busy. They managed to recapture Cork, and apparently just invaded French Indochina, capturing the cities of Hanoi and Vientianne from the French. With French Indochina just on the doorstep to my Chinese colonies, this is a risk that I can’t ignore. Russia must become the protectorate against the belligerent British military and save the French from their former allies.

The most important thing I needed to do was to get Britain to declare war. Both Hong Kong and Shanghai still have a substantial British citizen population and that could cause a lot of problems if I am forced to open hostilities. I thought I could manufacture this by some liberal use of espionage, but expected to spend a good deal of gold before the British were sufficiently angry enough to declare war. In the end, all it took was one single attempt to expose British spies in Saint Petersburg. My counter-espionage fails and the British are so upset that they declare war right away. Perfect.

The first thing I needed to do was to outline my goals for the war - the most important goal would be to push the British out of French Indochina and recapture Hanoi and Vientianne. I didn’t have enough gold in the treasury to steal British plans to get a better picture of their troop strengths, especially of the naval forces, so I am forced to go into the conflict blind. The only thing I know for sure is that my military advisor states that the British outnumber me.

As far as my overall naval forces. I have increased the size of my fleets in the Far East, but no where else. I have a small Baltic Sea fleet bottled up near Saint Petersburg and another bottled up in the Black Sea. Thus, most of the naval conflict will occur in Asia. My powerful East Asiatic Fleet will be held back to act as steam transport escort for reinforcements from Korea to the Indochina theater and to protect my vital holdings in China from seaborne invasion. I have three other naval squadrons protecting the rest of Japan, Korea and eastern Russia along the Bering Sea. In addition, I had built five other squadrons whose sole purpose was as raiders. Lastly, I have one single ship in the Atlantic, the lone destroyer, Smyeli, who managed to escape from the Black Sea weeks before.

Week 46, 1905
I give orders to my raider squadrons to steam towards the nearest British colonies in the Far East, with orders to sink any British vessels they encounter and to cause as much infrastructural damage they can accomplish with naval bombardment. Of special importance is the sinking of any and all transports the squadrons come across. However, I do not want to engage large enemy fleets, in hopes of keeping my naval losses to a minimum.

The 1st CA Squadron (comprised of the destroyers Blestyahchi and Lena and cruisers Nikolevski and Otvajn), who were patrolling off the Canadian western coast just before the outbreak of war, steams towards the city of Vancouver. Meeting no enemy naval forces, the ships begin shelling the coast around the city, causing considerable damage (destroys 2 rails and a road).

In and around Hong Kong, I have the Russian 6th Army, fully 21 divisions and 13 batteries of artillery. I already had dispatched a new army, the Russian 7th, from Pusan by steam transport before war broke out and should arrive in a turn. In addition, I transfer the Russian 2nd Army from the European front via rail to Pusan to load onto transports also bound for Hong Kong. With three full armies, I should easily outnumber the British.

Operations in Indochina do not wait for reinforcements, however. Hoping to blunt the British offensive, I order the 6th Army to cross the Indochina frontier immediately. The reason for this is that I spotted a large number of unescorted British raw materials all around Hanoi - some are British rm’s but others seem to be former French ones that the Brits had captured.

The 6th Army marches towards Hanoi from the southeast, while I dispatch a raiding force of six cavalry divisions round the advancing army to the north. In a lighting cavalry raid, the Russian cavalry overrun two stockpiles of British supplies, destroy a lone British colonial cavalry division (a total of 7 raw materials captured), and reach the outskirts of Hanoi itself.

The Russian 6th Army now finds itself switching from an offensive operation to one of escorting the newly captured British supplies back towards Hong Kong to be shipped back to mainland Russia. The RM’s move painfully slowly, so unless I use the 2nd Army to guard them, they will probably be recaptured by the British.

Despite my success in forcing the British into declaring war, Shanghai begins to riot at the end of the turn. I am forced to switch most of the citizens over to entertainers, causing starvation. In addition, the British quickly respond to my invasion and raid, by counter-attacking my cavalry force near Hanoi. A much larger force of eleven British colonial cavalry divisions sweeps up from the east to slam into my raiders. In the ensuing chaotic cavalry battle, my cavalry divisions (the 1st, 18th and 19th Siberian Cossacks and the 4th, 26th and 36th cavalry divisions), are overwhelmed and wiped out at the cost of five British division losses.

Week 9, 1906
The Russian 7th Army soon arrives in Hong Kong via steam transports and unloads into the city, while the 6th Army slowly falls back towards Hong Kong escorting the newly captured raw materials.

Meanwhile, my Russian raider squadrons begins attacking British possessions all over the Far East. The 2nd CA Squadron, off the East African coast (comprised of the destroyers Keisk and Kiev, and the cruisers Knyaz and Veein) shells improvements near Mombassa, destroying rail lines and roads. To the east, the 3rd CA Squadron (comprised of the destroyers Belgia and Puilki and the cruiser Sutchena) shells the coast near Calicut, also destroying rail lines and roads. Finally, the 1st CA Squadron , near Vancouver in Canada, destroy more rails outside the city. My lone destroyer in the Atlantic, the Smyeli,, is patrolling near the Canary islands. She spots several groups of much larger and more heavily armed British dreadnoughts and cruisers escorting steam transports running both north and south. Vastly outgunned, the Smyeli decides not to engage and steams north in hopes of better prey.

At the end of the turn, I am able to quell the riots in Shanghai, though the dreaded Russian war weariness already starts hitting my cities as WLTKD abruptly ends all throughout Russia.

Week 12, 1906
Off the coast of Canada, my Russian 2nd CA Squadron steams into Vancouver harbor and begins shelling the city with impunity, destroying the city’s coastal fortress. Far to the west, the lone destroyer, Smyeli, encounters th HMS cruiser Phoebe and RN TB 97 escorting a steam transport off the coast of Spain near the city of Porto. Despite being outnumbered, the Smyeli engages the RN TB 97 and sinks her despite taking a single hit (¾ hp). Now suffering damage and unable to return to the Black Sea (where the rest of the Black Sea Fleet is bottled up), the Smyeli will try to steam north round the North Sea and towards my nothern Russian ports for repairs.

The Russian 6th Army falls back to Hong Kong with its captured raw materials, which are soon loaded onto steam transports to be sent back to Pusan.

Meanwhile, the Russian 7th Army swings north from Hong Kong to advance on Hanoi, overrunning and capturing another British supply depot of five British RM’s just north east of Hanoi (1 British and the rest former French RM’s). Even as the 7th Army overruns this depot, more are spotted to the west and south of Hanoi. Strangely, most of the RM depots are unguarded. I have a great opportunity to hurt the British (and the French also since some of the RM's were theirs) with the loss of such an amount of raw materials.

The Charge of the Indian Light Cavalry
The British respond by counter attacking the 7th Army on march 14th, 1906, with a small force of four colonial cavalry divisions. As the Russians began to dig in for the inevitable siege of Hanoi, the British commanders in the city opted to attempt to blunt the Russian buildup to the east and drive them back from the city. Unfortunately, the only troops available for this certainly insurmountable task was but four divisions of Indian colonial cavalry.

Just before 3 pm, the Indian cavalry formed up in one long line on the flat and open ground to the east of the city, with the 4th Indians on the left, the 14th Indians on the right and the 8th and 11th Indians in the center. The ground that the Indian cavalry would soon be forced to advance across was overlooked by no less than five Russian infantry divisions positioned at the edge of fields some two kilometers further to the east, and supported by five batteries of field artillery.

At 3.45 pm, the Indian cavalry began their advance at a walk towards the Russian infantry two kilometers away to the east. After crossing the first 200 meters, the order was given to “trot’. Stunned with amazement to the foolishness of such a advance in the face of enemy infantry and guns as well as sheer bravely, the Russian troops looked on in silence as the Indian cavalry slowly advanced across the open ground.

The 4th Indian Cavalry Forming Up For the Advance

At 3.50 pm, the five Russian batteries of artillery opened fire in one long line of barrages. The Indian cavalry, now more than halfway across the open ground, were forced to cross the last remaining 360+ meters under heavy fire from the enemy guns. Shells began falling among the advancing Indian cavalry, throwing great clouds of earth and dust into the air. Men and horse fell as each shell exploded with impunity. The 4th Indian cavalry, on the line’s far left, suffered the most, nearly 20% of the men fell dead and the divisional commander himself slightly wounded and his horse shot twice from underneath him.

Russian 77th Infantry Bracing For the Cavalry Charge

At 3.54 pm, the Indian buglers sounded the order to “gallop” and with a jump the Indian cavalry broke into a full charge towards Russian positions looming in front of them. The Russian artillery fire slackened as the Indian cavalry broke onto the Russian infantry positions. The Russian infantry resisted the cavalry charge stubbornly despite later reports of general cowardice among the men, as evidenced to the number of casualties on the front line. Along along the long thin red line, the Indian cavalry swept over the enemy positions, engaging the Russian infantry in a swirling melee. After twenty minutes of desperate fighting, the Indian cavalry had captured nearly all of the Russian line (wiping out three entire infantry divisions, the 74th, 76th and 77th) but were forced to withdraw and fall back to the city. In all, the Indian cavalry suffered nearly 3/4th casualties in the charge; two entire divisions were shattered (4th and 11th wiped out) and the other two nearly wiped out (both were red-lined).

 

[Brucha]

After posting the above action report, I began thinking of something that never occurred to me - that is the fact that I have yet to spot any British naval ships anywhere in Asia or India. I am beginning to wonder if during the previous war with Britian (and any subsequent wars up until now) has seriously depleted their naval forces in the region. The fact that I am spotting, and capturing large amounts of RM's, leads me to conclude that this is true. The Brits might have transports but they might not have any escort ships to transport the RM's back to England. I wish that I could steal British plans to find out for sure, but even at the lowest cost, it would cost me over 13,000 gold to do so, and I only have about 3,000 gold in my treasury.

 

[CivAgamemnon]

As always, very good storytelling!

Yeah, it's weird that you've not seen any British Military vessels in the area. Have you looked around Singapore? From experience, British ships tend to congregate in that area, since it's basically the Gibraltar of the East for them.

It's definitely weird that they haven't taken the RM to England, because they have quite a few transports. I don't think you've sank all that many, have you? What are their total ship losses, do you know?

Keep up the great work, my friend!

 

[Brucha]

As always, very good storytelling!

Yeah, it's weird that you've not seen any British Military vessels in the area. Have you looked around Singapore? From experience, British ships tend to congregate in that area, since it's basically the Gibraltar of the East for them.

It's definitely weird that they haven't taken the RM to England, because they have quite a few transports. I don't think you've sank all that many, have you? What are their total ship losses, do you know?

Keep up the great work, my friend!

Thank you very much

I played several more turns last night and have unleashed my raider squadrons all over Asia and even sent one squadron to the coast of England. In the North Sea and Atlantic (near Gibraltar), I am spotting a good deal of British ships (though no more than 3-4 ships per stack), but I am not encountering any in Asia or the Pacific. In fact, I am able to shell and bombard British tiles from Africa to India to Australia and all the way to Canada with impunity and have not spotted any British warships. I have even shelled Singapore for two turns and not been attacked. my lone destroyer in the Atlantic, the Smyeli, is steaming north to reach Romanov-on-muman, and passes British ships each turn, yet they do not attack me My squadron off the coast of England has shelled tiles for two turns with no action by the British either

In fact, as the war in Indochina expands, I and spotting HUGE numbers of British RM's (some are captured RM's though, mainly French) in Indochina and India. The RM's are just stockpiled in stacks as large as four to a stack and mostly unguarded. I have to check but I have already captured alot of them (perhaps 20 RM's). It certainly seems so far that the British naval forces have been wiped out in Asia. Whether this is result of my previous war with the Brits or a new developement in the latest series of wars is uncertain.

 

[CivAgamemnon]

That's WEIRD! (all those RM's alone). They must have taken some serious losses with some war or the other.

Isn't there a way to determine how many forces they've lost via the military advisor or something? Can't remember if you can do that. If you can, that might tell you what's going on.

 

[nokmirt]

I suppose I would not complain. Have English VP's been dwindling lately? This may be an indication of how they are doing in the scheme of things.

 

[ChaosArbiter]

I have even shelled Singapore for two turns and not been attacked. my lone destroyer in the Atlantic, the Smyeli, is steaming north to reach Romanov-on-muman, and passes British ships each turn, yet they do not attack me

Yeah, CivIII sucks for naval warfare. I've seen random Brazilian Armoured Cruisers and an American Dreadnought sniping individual ships as multiple convoys stream past them, but the British don't attack back. It's one of the reasons I hate that all the ships have Lethal Sea Bombard, actually - they won't attack 90% of the time, so you can just sit back and Bombard them into submission (which makes DD more cost-effective than Cruisers) rather than actually tackle enemy ships in regular combat. All you need is good Bombard, less so actual combat ability.

Similarly, an American game, I had my 9 Pre-Dreadnoughts hanging out around New England to take out British shipping, when they started sending BBs instead of CAs and PCs to defend convoys. I was attacked *twice* by ... either Canopus or Duncan-class BBs, lost one of my ships. Wasn't attacked at all after that, despite being outnumbered by opposing battleships.

Isn't there a way to determine how many forces they've lost via the military advisor or something?

There was in Civ2, and I *think* in Civ, but there isn't in CivIII, unless you're keeping track of enemy numbers.

 

[Brucha]

That's WEIRD! (all those RM's alone). They must have taken some serious losses with some war or the other.

Isn't there a way to determine how many forces they've lost via the military advisor or something? Can't remember if you can do that. If you can, that might tell you what's going on.

I believe that the military advisor will only tell you of the current comparision of troops strengths. Its killing me not knowing what's going on - verily the fog of war! I think that I might have to save up the 13,000+ gold mjust to waste on stealing the British military plans just to see the position of all their units!

 

[CivAgamemnon]

@Chaos: That's what I thought. They had that in SMAC/X too. Pity they didn't include it in the C3 system.

@ Brucha. Ask the bank for the 13000 gold ? Seriously, you could see what they have now, record the numbers, check again in a few turns. That should give you some idea.