The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Three: The Return of the KOing!

[El_Machinae]

As well, some evolution will allow a species to go into a habitat that they couldn't before.

No birds went into the poisonous forest, because it killed them. However, if a bird mutated to survive the poison, its offspring could move into the poison forest.

TLC: thanks. I'll take a look

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

But say that 1 bird, by a random mutation that happened when it was being born

Birth is too late, isn't it? By then the bird has billions of cells already. Mutations would happen at conception, right? As far as genetics are concerned birth is irrelevant.

 

[El_Machinae]

A beneficial mutation could certainly occur after conception, but it would probably not be an inheritable trait.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Birth is too late, isn't it? By then the bird has billions of cells already. Mutations would happen at conception, right? As far as genetics are concerned birth is irrelevant.

Most mutations that get inherited among multicellular animals do, AFAIK, happen in the production of the germ cells that give rise to the new, mutant, organism.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

So the mutations actually happen in the parents who then spread on the mutated gametes? So if you microwaved my testicles then my hypothetical children would carry the mutation?

 

[The Last Conformist]

So the mutations actually happen in the parents who then spread on the mutated gametes?

Yes.

I suppose that if you want mutant children, you should give your 'nads a mild irradiation ...

Then again, the mutation rate in humans is such, that most people have one or a few that neither of their parents have.

 

[ironduck]

So the mutations actually happen in the parents who then spread on the mutated gametes? So if you microwaved my testicles then my hypothetical children would carry the mutation?

I don't think microwaving them is going to work since that's non-ionising radiation, you could try x-raying them if you feel brave

 

[El_Machinae]

As a man, I find it easier just to knock up all the hot x-ray techs, instead.

It's easier.

Evolutionary theory states that you don't want mutant children, but for your children to carry on your DNA.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Evolutionary theory states that you don't want mutant children, but for your children to carry on your DNA.

Certainly, I have even argued this in the "designer baby" thread. I was just trying to illustrate a point. I am not really going to nuke my or anyone else's genitals.

 

[ironduck]

You would just burn them, might as well pour hot water over them or something

 

[The Last Conformist]

Evolutionary theory states that you don't want mutant children, but for your children to carry on your DNA.

Nah. It states we can model Eran's behaviour as if he wanted that.

I don't think that particular bit will hold for humans much longer.

(Well, even this is a simplification, but we don't want to enter the theoretical mazes of intragenomic competition, do we?)

 

[Souron]

So the mutations actually happen in the parents who then spread on the mutated gametes? So if you microwaved my testicles then my hypothetical children would carry the mutation?

Well yes, but you're mutated testicles arn't going to tell the rest of your body to change it's DNA to their's. Only your children will cary the mutation.

That assumes that there is a mutation, that it is not debilitating, that your testies survive the process, and that you don't get cancer.

 

[carlosMM]

civ2, why do you suddenly stop answering my posts? Are you afraid of the dinosaur issue you brought up?



btw, some more info on Sarcosuchus or you
http://www.fmnh.helsinki.fi/users/h...hordata/Archosauria/Crocodylia/Metasuchia.htm

notice the position of Sarcosuchus on that tree, where it is placed based on PAUP analyses of a huge number of characters!
alternatively, consider this:
http://www.fmnh.helsinki.fi/users/h...Chordata/Archosauria/Crocodylia/Neosuchia.htm

where AGAIN, it falls far OUT of the EUSUCHIA Huxley. Now click that link:
http://www.fmnh.helsinki.fi/users/h.../Chordata/Archosauria/Crocodylia/Eusuchia.htm
where you can see that any non-Eusuchian is clearly also outside CROCODILIA , thus at most a distant cousin to recent gavials, crocodiles and alligators (note how crocodils is even more specific than CROCODILIA, as it refers only to those animals in the CROCODYLOIDEA.

So, now, where is that crocodile that lived before dinosaurs????

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

For the record:

I am NOT - repeat NOT - seriously considering microwaving or X-raying my testicles.

They have a hard enough time as it is.

 

[Bluemofia]

For the record:

I am NOT - repeat NOT - seriously considering microwaving or X-raying my testicles.

They have a hard enough time as it is.

Good.

Because the possibility of producing harmful mutations is much greater.

But the possibility exists for producing helpful mutations...

 

[warpus]

For the record:

I am NOT - repeat NOT - seriously considering microwaving or X-raying my testicles.

They have a hard enough time as it is.

I'll give you $5 if you do it.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I am NOT - repeat NOT - seriously considering microwaving or X-raying my testicles.

That's my new sig right there.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

That's my new sig right there.

Thanks, you have no idea how flattered I am.

 

[nihilistic]

For the record:

I am NOT - repeat NOT - seriously considering microwaving or X-raying my testicles.

They have a hard enough time as it is.

Hmm ... are you not not considering it?

 

[El_Machinae]

Whaddya bet that he (and his friends) are praying right now, asking God to give them spiritual strength to fight off the agents of the devil, seeking to use the laws developed by the Prince of This World?

Dr. Dino arrested on federal charges

A Pensacola evangelist who owns the defunct Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola was arrested Thursday on 58 federal charges, including failing to pay $473,818 in employee-related taxes and making threats against investigators.

Of the 58 charges, 44 were filed against Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo, for evading bank reporting requirements as they withdrew $430,500 from AmSouth Bank between July 20, 2001, and Aug. 9, 2002.

At the couple's first court appearance Thursday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis, Kent Hovind professed not to understand why he is being prosecuted. Some 20 supporters were in the courtroom.

"I still don't understand what I'm being charged for and who is charging me," he said.