The "OMG! Look what happened in DoC!" Thread

[Dumanios]

I suspect that civs that start at war with you (like Mongolia vs. China) are still free play.

And what's the Empire of Oyashima?

 

[Fresol]

If you're going for anything, not being able to rush Japan is a serious setback.
Wait, so what about civs that DOW you on spawn? Like the Mongols?
Can we still rush them?

You can send some well-promoted crossbowmen to eliminate or make vassal of Japan just 10 turns later if you want still. It's just not quite in time for the UHV. Mongols still yes, but sometimes they come in peace.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Is that why Japan's been alive in your recent screenshots, Fresol?

I can't even begin to think about how this will affect other civs too...

 

[Fresol]

Actually it's not the reason, I was trying to let them control Thailand and possibly Indonesia for me later but I didn't carry out the plan. For UHV one just needs to settle more cities on the mainland, I could fit in 6 nice ones (Xi'an, Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Sanshan, Kunming) but still need 2 more. The Philippines is one choice and maybe one in Mongolia (it will flip, yes, but you get Silk Route as an early boost).

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

^Should've tried rushing Japan then swinging at China in that Corea game there.

Yea, well, first time as Korea for me. My strategy was to wait for the Mongols to spawn and to try to attack with Mongolia with a good sized force. Unfortunately for me, however, the Mongols seemed to just want to go west. I captured Beijing, but couldn't hold it for long.

I suspect that civs that start at war with you (like Mongolia vs. China) are still free play.

And what's the Empire of Oyashima?

My custom Japan dynamic name. Just being random here, chose a random name.

On the other hand, from my story, here comes monster Orthodox Persia in 900-ish AD. I think 896. IIRC, Gruekiller wanted to see this.

Spoiler :

Hindu Gwadar, plus lots of Egypt-Ethiopia city fail.

Spoiler :

Practically the opposite of the previous, but with Tumasik and Orthodoxy. (Not sure how uncommon/common these two are)

Spoiler :

Just a Chinese trireme, walking (sailing?) its pet Korean work boat

Spoiler :

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

I guess we can still invade Corea.

A bunch of Cho-Ko-Nus will murder any stack they have.

 

[Fresol]

On the other hand, from my story, here comes monster Orthodox Persia in 900-ish AD. I think 896. IIRC, Gruekiller wanted to see this.

Orthodox Turkey is more common, but Persia not so much.

I guess we can still invade Corea.

A bunch of Cho-Ko-Nus will murder any stack they have.

Yes but I would settle Sanshan and burn Seoul. Sanshan has that later Corn in range.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

I guess we can still invade Corea.

A bunch of Cho-Ko-Nus will murder any stack they have.

Which reminds me, Korea never seems to put their Hwachas to good use, do they?

 

[Gruekiller]

On the other hand, from my story, here comes monster Orthodox Persia in 900-ish AD. I think 896. IIRC, Gruekiller wanted to see this.

That I did, thankee! It's a beaut, too.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

If you're invading China (mostly a terrestrial invasion), you will definitely put the Hwachas to good use.
I guess with the no rush rule now, you can grab some Barrage 1 + 2 Hwachas and use them against Japanese Samurais.

Anyway, with the new no rush (10 turns) implement, when I finally get on SVN,
I'm going to see if it's still possible to grab Japan early.
It's too much of a loss to not be able to take Japan as China or Corea.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

On the other hand, from my story, here comes monster Orthodox Persia in 900-ish AD. I think 896. IIRC, Gruekiller wanted to see this.

Spoiler :

(1) I don't see an Orthodox Holy City. Is it in Russia or something?

(2) Why is Persian Capital in Babylon?

Anyway, with the new no rush (10 turns) implement, when I finally get on SVN,
I'm going to see if it's still possible to grab Japan early.

It's much more satisfying to have a proper, historical war with Japan IMO. Especially now the Japanese AI does not spam crap cities any more.

 

[Fresol]

(1) I don't see an Orthodox Holy City. Is it in Russia or something?

Moskva probably.

It's much more satisfying to have a proper, historical war with Japan IMO. Especially now the Japanese AI does not spam crap cities any more.

Japan has that early silver and declares war from time to time. It's better to solve the problem early from a gameplay point of view isn't it? Plus, the historical wars were lost.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

The early wars like the Tang-Silla Alliance vs. Baekje-Yamato and the Imjin Wars were won, but the First Sino-Japanese War ended in defeat,
while the second one was a technical victory (the early-middle portion of the war was heavily skewed in Japan's favor, but if one looks at the later performances
of the RoC, they were beginning to gain ground and score many victories) and the civil war only resumed after that anyway.

Actually though, if Japan really doesn't city spam crap cities all over Honshu,
I'm a little more inclined now to accept that I can't rush them on spawn.
Part of the reason why I did so in the first place was because if I wanted
to dispose of them later, they would fill up the island with like 8 cities,
and razing all of them just to get a good one would have been insanity.

I think that would be a fair compromise, Leoreth, if you're reading this.
Yes, we can't rush civs right out the gate, but you could make them settle less cities
or settle them in sensible spots.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

(1) I don't see an Orthodox Holy City. Is it in Russia or something?

(2) Why is Persian Capital in Babylon?


It's much more satisfying to have a proper, historical war with Japan IMO. Especially now the Japanese AI does not spam crap cities any more.

Orthodox Holy City in Jerusalem/Al Quds. In my games, the controller of Babylon tends to put their capital in Babylon for some odd reason. I've seen Persia, Turkey, Arabia, and even England do it. (don't ask about the last one)

Yes, we can't rush civs right out the gate, but you could make them settle less cities
or settle them in sensible spots.

This please. You know how many times I see both Sapporo and Kushiro? For me, Japan, India, England, France, and especially Mongolia have extremely bad city placement. (And a couple others)

 

[Fresol]

Edit: Never mind, come to think about it, they do tend to settle a lot of crap cities 2 tiles away from each other.

 

[Fresol]

Orthodox Holy City in Jerusalem/Al Quds. In my games, the controller of Babylon tends to put their capital in Babylon for some odd reason. I've seen Persia, Turkey, Arabia, and even England do it. (don't ask about the last one)

Playing as China, I've seen Taoism founded in Jerusalem twice. Persia loves Calendar and I don't know if that city has some magic for Taoism.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

Playing as China, I've seen Taoism founded in Jerusalem twice. Persia loves Calendar and I don't know if that city has some magic for Taoism.

If you didn't rush Calendar, then I think that Persia or India would be the first ones get it. Just an opinion though.

Edit: Never mind, come to think about it, they do tend to settle a lot of crap cities 2 tiles away from each other.

Examples: While India's not too bad compared to what I've seen, England is. Nothing in Scotland at all.

Spoiler :

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Actually, from what I've heard from jammerculture, Leoreth must have reduced trade inclinations for techs even further for China.
Which makes it a lot harder to get to Calendar by oneself and take care of all the other things you're supposed to do (get Great Wall, get critical Wonders).

 

[Fresol]

If you didn't rush Calendar, then I'm think that Persia or India would be the first ones get it. Just an opinion though.

Persia for sure, India would be reluctant to trade techs with me so they have to research Mathematics on themselves. If I'm not going for historical victory I would let the Persians have Taoism, since founding it myself is not beneficial at all.

 

[Fresol]

Actually, from what I've heard from jammerculture, Leoreth must have reduced trade inclinations for techs even further for China.
Which makes it a lot harder to get to Calendar by oneself and take care of all the other things you're supposed to do (get Great Wall, get critical Wonders).

Yes, you might need to adapt to the changes in the SVN version. It's still fairly reasonable, although you may want to tech differently.