The Space Race - UN Building

[Daedwartin]

We support the UN consitution.
We declare that The Nazis are a scourge to humanity.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

And we declare the whatever-whatever alliance that sprung up as Unconstitutional, evil, and merely war-mongering.

 

[JohannaK]

I thought I would never say this, but I think that P_F should not be allowed to play, or rather, to rejoin once Nazi Germany disappears.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

What makes you say that? And thorvald thinks so to.

You guys shouldn't wonder why I openly accused thor of bias as sub-GM last game. He wanted me kicked for a solid half of the game, maybe longer.

<snip> chat log deleted.

All I can say is that, if you guys don't like my playstyle, that's okay. I'm not upset about it. Personally I was aiming to go for a peaceful game this time around, but the turn 0 alliance vs Russia (and or Germany it seems) prevented that. I can link you to JC's convo's about the turn 0 alliance if you want, but I don't think it will make a difference.

I like competition. I like winning. I'm sorry if you guys want to sit in a circle and just hold hands and play for fun. My fun IS competition. I don't see how my fun is less important than yours, and I assure you, IOT:X was (and hopefully still is) my shot at playing the game without ruining other's fun.

That being said, if taking 2 "french" provinces ruins the fun of 5 people and they all declare war on me... that's a problem with THEM. Be real guys, it's like 8 pixels I claimed that started all this garbage.

 

[Ailedhoo]

You just posted a screenshot... of me noting your bullying nature. I am sorry to say but you are a problem player. I suggest action be taken. PF bullied me. He bullied me for no reason. He moved near me for no good reason. Why? Why did he decide to pick on me? I hate to say this... but JoanK, your policy is something the GM should commence. PF is proving a problem.

 

[JohannaK]

@P_F:

AFAIK, all problems have come with Germany. You had that nice and cosy Siberian retirement as Russia and for no reason at all you switch claims to Germany, BETWEEN TWO ALREADY-ESTABLISHED NATIONS and claiming as yours what one would expect rightful SoI of one of them. Not to mention that your new territory is more or less half of the OTHER nation's logical zone of expansion.

If you had wanted war, you couldn't have done it better.

 

[christos200]

Macedonia believes that the 5 disputed provinces should become a UN territory (French UN Mandate), with the Nazi and SUDS having access to the UN Mandate but no control over it's policies.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

The problem, which you incessantly refuse to recognize, is that ever since joining the IOT boards, you have demonstrated nothing but contempt for the players, and for the game moderators. You lawyer the rules to death if you don't get your way; you drag down these games into petty personal fights; and you spread it all across every thread you can, well past the point the dispute was relevant.

This whole business with Ailedhoo is nothing but bullying, plain and simple. It's bullying by IOT standards, it's bulling by CFC standards. You had a perfectly valid start in Russia; you have no legitimate reason to shoehorn yourself between two players after the first turn.


I second Joan's motion.

 

[Jehoshua]

Cleared up some logic-fails and vagaries in Tani's version. (I mean requiring a large majority to avoid a tyranny of the majority, thats a logic fail tani )

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UN Charter

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Article I: Membership

All states that exercise sovereignity over their territory, or exercised it prior to a war, are considered to be members of the Union.

Article II: Functions

The Union is based on consensus and the respect of national sovereignty. Its primary concern is international peace and stability. Any binding action must be ratified by each nation to be effective on that nation, in order to avoid a tyranny of the majority

The Union's membership should be able to vote on the following matters, with simple majorities unless otherwise stated:

I. Regulations of conflicts. The Union may enshrine international norms for the conduct of war
II. Resolutions of border disputes, should the concerned parties jointly agree to pass the matter to the UN.
III. Mediation of disputes. Should two or more nations appear to be edging closer to war, the UN should attempt to diffuse the tensions for the good of all sentients.
IV. Condemnation of states. With a three-fifths majority, the Union may condemn states that have shown reckless or aggressive behavior.
V. Responses to rogue states. With a two-thirds majority, the Union may legalise sanctions or other international action against a state that has a) declared war on another, b) or threatened war with another, c) initiated military hostilities with another nation
VI. With consensus, the Union may give itself additional functions.

Article III: Composition

The Union shall be unicameral in the form of the Security Council, with each member state possessing one delegate to vote on all matters.

Article IV: Amendment

With four-fifths majority, this Constitution may be reviewed by the nations of the Union and a new constitution established via consensual agreement.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Macedonia believes that the 5 disputed provinces should become a UN territory (French UN Mandate), with the Nazi and SUDS having access to the UN Mandate but no control over it's policies.

I disagree, especilly as PF's policies is pratically bullying.

 

[JamesCaesar]

Macedonia believes that the 5 disputed provinces should become a UN territory (French UN Mandate), with the Nazi and SUDS having access to the UN Mandate but no control over it's policies.

Link to video.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Wow, Jeho, that's actually pretty good.

If the nation I'm playing was currently in a position to contribute, I'd suggest that if the legislature's unicameral, it be called the General Assembly.

 

[JohannaK]

I support Jehoshua's version.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Even thoughs the SUDS are by nature interventionists... the crisis has made us realise that soverientry is a vital human right. Hence we agree with Jeho's vission.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I thought I would never say this, but I think that P_F should not be allowed to play, or rather, to rejoin once Nazi Germany disappears.

You just posted a screenshot... of me noting your bullying nature. I am sorry to say but you are a problem player. I suggest action be taken. PF bullied me. He bullied me for no reason. He moved near me for no good reason. Why? Why did he decide to pick on me? I hate to say this... but JoanK, your policy is something the GM should commence. PF is proving a problem.

Moderator Action: The issue of who can play games here and what power to control who plays actually reside with GMs are not new issues. As I see it games here and in NESing are for all. It is not for the GMs to declare particular members "unfit" to play their game. That said GM ought to have control over how games unfold and the power to set rules and standards for game play that include selection of starting locations. As we have seen here, problems can arise when one player is seen as disruptive to normal/expected play.

If warmongering is not wanted in a game, then that should be made clear up front and probably in the rules: no wars will be allowed unless approved by blah...blah...blah... Along the same lines, if you as a player have a particularly strong style of play, you should consider whether or not that style will fit well with the game you want to play.

In this case it seems that PF, who plays aggressively moved his start location to further his style of play. That decision could have been vetoed by the GM. if as a player you don't like being next to an aggressive player, I would suggest that you defend yourself well.

If a particular player disrupts a game through meanness, incivility or nasty posting, I will help the GM work through the crisis and try to encourage the problem poster to better integrate himself into the game.

Please do not post chat logs in threads here. Chat sites are woefully unregulated and usually bring out the worst in people. When dragged here, they tend to just make situations worse. I will delete them.

Play nice. Have fun.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

I completely agree with BJ. I'd like to say that a diplomatic solution to this problem is being worked out right here in this thread.

In this case it seems that PF, who plays aggressively moved his start location to further his style of play. That decision could have been vetoed by the GM.

It was sort-of vetoed by the GM. Taniciusfox moved me a few provinces over, so I was bordering Germany. I think that addresses the GM's opinion on my start location.

 

[christos200]

French UN Mandate

In order to prevent war, deaths and destruction, Macedonia proposes that a UN French Mandate should be created in East France.

1: The UN will have control over the disputed East French territory for at least 10 years.
2: The UN will station peacekeepers to guard the regions and will create a local army.
3: Both SUDS and Nazi will have military access to that area, as long as SUDS and NAZI are not in a state of war.
4: If Nazi or SUDS come to a state of war, the UN will not allow military from those two nation to pass from East france.
5: After the 10 years of UN control, elections will be held in the area to determinate the fate of the area.

 

[W|M]

Poland votes in FAVOUR of this motion

 

[Ailedhoo]

The SUDS vote against the mandate idea. East France belongs to France, which is of the SUDS.

 

[JamesCaesar]

The Zulu Empire votes against the mandate. Let the fate of the land be decided in war.