The square root of (-1) is......... the penis?

You should have told him that you had absolutely no doubt whatsoever that his penis was completely imaginary. :D
Eh. Clarification: I read about him and this claim and saw his picture a few years back; I didn't meet him in person.

i and -i.
So what does this imply - that Lacan has two imaginary penises? (Penii?) And I recall a joke that God gave man a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time. Write your own punchline to that.

To supplement the pointing and laughing, let's add this quote... "Life is short, don't be a dick." :lol:

*point, laugh, mock*
 
But yes, I do get frustrated when dealing with people who are not like us, specially when they show such a lack of basic logical or mathematical reasoning ability as some people I have seen.

I don't. If they admit that they aren't into logical or mathematical reasoning then so be it. You always have the option of ignoring them or talking about something that doesn't require those faculties.

Post-modernism is only annoying because it hasn't given anything useful to humanity despite all the grant money they have soaked up over the years. This money could have been used to get free beer and widescreen TVs for physics departments.

Only a suggestion.

So what does this imply - that Lacan has two imaginary penises? (Penii?) And I recall a joke that God gave man a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time. Write your own punchline to that.

May I add the tasteless remark that since -i is the inverse of i then one of them would be inverted.
 
Incidentally, the plural of Penis is not "Penii", but "Penes".

Or Penises of course.
 
So what does this imply - that Lacan has two imaginary penises? (Penii?)

Maybe. But one is on one side of the imaginary axis, and the other on the other.

So when you add them together, you get zero.

And I recall a joke that God gave man a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time. Write your own punchline to that.

:lol:

To supplement the pointing and laughing, let's add this quote... "Life is short, don't be a dick." :lol:

*point, laugh, mock*

To that, let me add, as a work of advise to this chap, "Your dick is imaginary, get a life."

:lol:
 
I don't. If they admit that they aren't into logical or mathematical reasoning then so be it. You always have the option of ignoring them or talking about something that doesn't require those faculties.

Only a suggestion.

I make it a point to never bring up anything requiring rigorous logical reasoning in front of such people, but they bring such stuff up, so I'm rather tempted to respond.
 
I make it a point to never bring up anything requiring rigorous logical reasoning in front of such people, but they bring such stuff up, so I'm rather tempted to respond.

As an aside, am I correct in assuming you are an atheist? The reason I ask is that you quote Hindu scriptures in your signature.
 
As an aside, am I correct in assuming you are an atheist? The reason I ask is that you quote Hindu scriptures in your signature.

Let me answer a question which I shall put to myself, to make it clearer:

Do I believe in, and believe in believing in, a "God" defined as an entity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, within the logical laws of our universe (or even transcending them), who created the universe ex nihilo, who is the efficient cause of the universe, who has a plan for creation, or if not creation, at least humanity, and who intervenes to bring this plan about?

No.

In fact, I would reject any God whose attributes included anything of the above (except the efficient cause bit).


So from the way "atheist" is defined in the context you know, effectively being a rejecter of the God with the attributes I described him with, then yes, I am an atheist.
 
Post-modernism is only annoying because it hasn't given anything useful to humanity despite all the grant money they have soaked up over the years. This money could have been used to get free beer and widescreen TVs for physics departments.

I suppose if one thinks philosophy and art isn't useful..
 
I suppose if one thinks philosophy and art isn't useful..

I was referring to post-modernist trends in "serious" academia. I have no well formed opinion on post-moderist art. It might be very interesting and I certainly have nothing against art in general.

I still stand by my point that post-modernist elements in fields such as history and sociology is not immediately useful. It leads to interesting word games but that is all.
 
I suppose if one thinks philosophy and art isn't useful..

If there's anything that philosophers hate, it's post-modernism.
 
Well, can you? You've been deriding 'post modernists' throughout this thread. The list I linked to are people who are typically regarded as post-modernist in one sense or another.

I couldn't care less about these silly groupings, but when people feel the need to deride them as I've seen in this thread it reeks of someone trying to look intellectually superior.

Have your fun feeling all smug about yourself.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_mo... contributors

Of course one can debate endlessly what constitutes post modernism. Something I'll leave to you should you feel like it
Since when did Wittgenstein count as a Post-Modernist? At least to the extent that we are talking about...

I couldn't care less about these silly groupings, but when people feel the need to deride them as I've seen in this thread it reeks of someone trying to look intellectually superior.
The thing is that all academic fields *are* intellectually superior to post-modernism, so the derision is justified. Postmodernism is nothing more than a rigorous form of nonsense.
 
Postmodernism is nothing more than a rigorous form of nonsense.

:lol: (why is there no applauding smiley?)

That's very well put. It pretty much sums up my attitude to post-modernism in academia. But you have to give them the fact that they are *rigorous*. So they are halfway.

If they could just apply that rigour to something useful.
 
I think I read that article a couple of years ago. Instead of congratulating Dawkins on the much-needed article, I decided to open up a few of my old philosophy books on the guys Mr. Dawkins was mentioning.

After brushing up on my Deleuze, Lacan, Lyotard, Guottari, Marcuse, Bourdieu, Greimas and especially that hack Levinas; it seems to me that Dr. Dawkins, Sokal, Bircment exposed them as only not knowing what they were talking about when the collection of philosophers were outside of their element. Dr. Dawkins never mentioned their other, more lucid and intelligent yet still more confusingly written, work as either structuralists or crits.

Dr. Dawkin's article is nice; and it definetly makes some good points so future philosophers/idiots can refine themselves on; but by and by, Dawkin's article is seemingly just a reactionist piece against 'intellectuals' going outside their field by applying their proposed universal structuralist or philosophical theorems into other subjects. This article does not to understand that point. Instead, it seemingly relishes on the pot shots given to Dawkins, Sokol, and Bircment in order to discredit Postmodern and Critical theory as if fulfilling some secret disgust with the whole 'pretentious business' of non-pragmatic French philosophy.

That's an awesome article to read. But it's about as fair and balanced as a Fox News broadcast where Dawkin is O' reily and Sokol is Hannity.. and serves Dawkin's appearance on the show South Park rather well.

edit: About the speech used by most philosophers today.

I believe it was Herbert Marcuse that said there were two fundamental ways of writing philosophy. 1) Through plain english, where everyone can understand it. or 2) Through 'complicated' english that implicates strange new undefined buzz words into the sentences in order to exactly express what you mean.

Accordingly, most 'serious' academic philosophers are forced to take the second road. Hegel and Marx, two very influential writers in Western thought, did absolutely no less (although Marx eased up a little after a while.. ) And while it easily alienates others to believing that their writing is just 'pretentious, stupid, intelligible, and "tautologous",' most writing in such a format has good points. It's up to others to discredit them that way. After all, they don't exactly write to sell the books...

But am I saying the philosophy field didn't deserve it? Absolutely not. Most philosophers (and philosophy students) are pretentious undeserving dolts.
 
@QuoVadisNation:

I think the point was that by using concepts such as the square root of -1 and Fluid Mechanics in the contexts they did, those "philosophers" must either have been deceitfully plucking random "difficult-sounding" ideas from trees in order to sound convincing or they must have been buffoons who have no idea how to contribute to science.

It goes well beyond "being out of ones element" when you are hijacking completely unrelated concepts and using them to build your argument.
 
@QuoVadisNation:

I think the point was that by using concepts such as the square root of -1 and Fluid Mechanics in the contexts they did, those "philosophers" must either have been deceitfully plucking random "difficult-sounding" ideas from trees in order to sound convincing or they must have been buffoons who have no idea how to contribute to science.

That's rather a false dilemma. Everyone of those guys' arguments rely on the written word, they could have merely been using idiosyncratic numbers to reflect written theorems that they had been postulating at that time. Lacan's little 'equation' may not make sense out of context, but in within context it simply refers to the classic theoretical notion that the signified (understanding) is the result of who's signifying and the particular statement. That's it.

Granted, not everyone's prefect. Which is why I agree with any pot shots given at Irigaray.
 
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