The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control
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metalhead
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Only on those long, cold winter nights.
Manfred Belheim
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You said how could you defend yourself with a tank, not how could a family live out the rest of their lives inside a tank. Tanks obviously have very notable defensive qualities, somewhat fundamental to their entire design, I think you will have to admit. (tanks also have armaments btw)
It's like asking how you could defend yourself with a shield, and then retorting with how a shield wouldn't make a serviceable long term habitation for a family.
Next up - how can you defend yourself with goalposts.
Broken_Erika
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Easy, you simply bash people over the head with them.*
Or you can constantly move them around to confuse your enemies........then bash them over the head with them.......and when they fall to their knees,
you shove the goal post up their arse!
*as long as they're metal or wood, the plastic ones tend to break too easily.
a little on the nose... but still funny
Lexicus
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Yeah, but protip, the broken edges can actually increase the lethality.
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That's why wooden ones are the best. You just can't beat wood. Far better than those dreadful tin things!
Well we'll get to see the courts argue the New Pittsburgh ordinance.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18293583/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-gun-control
A reasonable limitation on the surface.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18293583/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-gun-control
A reasonable limitation on the surface.
I want to see the stats on how many suicides are done with long guns as opposed to pistols. As we know, handguns are already responsible for something like 90% of all firearm crimes.
@yung.carl.jung breathing is automatic and unconscious, forcing yourself to do something about a situation has to be consciously processed to realize (poison) is completely different from forcing yourself to do something about a situation that is immediately apparent (like drowning - flailing would be instinctual)
@yung.carl.jung breathing is automatic and unconscious, forcing yourself to do something about a situation has to be consciously processed to realize (poison) is completely different from forcing yourself to do something about a situation that is immediately apparent (like drowning - flailing would be instinctual)
yung.carl.jung
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this is getting a little too dark maybe, but.. when you hang yourself, struggling and attempting to get your head out I feel is a mixture of both instinctual and conscious. when you try to drown yourself, flailing and getting out of the water I feel is also a mixture of both. it's not so clear cut as it is with poison, where it is clearly a 100% conscious decision, no questions asked.
If the ruling in California that struck down their magazine ban as unconstitutional holds up, then I would assume Pittsburgh's new laws will eventually be struck down as well.
That was a major victory for gun owners in California and the rest of the US. That ban being struck down doesn't just set a precedent for other magazine bans in other states to be struck down as well, but also might set a precedent for other gun laws not directly related to magazine bans to be struck down as well.
I know that maybe I'm just getting a little too excited here, but pro-2nd Amendment cases have been having increasing success in the courts lately, especially in traditionally anti-gun jurisdictions. This is giving me hope that the tide is finally turning in favor of gun rights and soon all this anti-2nd Amendment madness will be behind us. Perhaps one day we'll even get the NFA struck down and the ATF disbanded.
Bugfatty300
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The thing about "high-capacity" magazines is that they have been the standard capacity magazines for self-loading handguns and rifles for over 60 years and are ubiquitous.
In fact going out of your way to call a magazine "high-capacity" is redundant except when invoking the strawman the murderous scary black ninja guns and banana clips that only bad people own.
In fact going out of your way to call a magazine "high-capacity" is redundant except when invoking the strawman the murderous scary black ninja guns and banana clips that only bad people own.
I don't know, if 15 round and 22 round magazines for my 9 mm have been the standard for handguns for sixty years, then why do old episodes of Law & Order have them all carrying 38 specials?
I don't mind that people who believe in the Second Amendment believe that 15 and 22 round magazines are acceptable. They would be to me too, if I believed that bearing arms was a right protected by my Constitution.
But I do think the shift to high capacity magazines as mainstream is something that happened during my lifetime
I don't mind that people who believe in the Second Amendment believe that 15 and 22 round magazines are acceptable. They would be to me too, if I believed that bearing arms was a right protected by my Constitution.
But I do think the shift to high capacity magazines as mainstream is something that happened during my lifetime
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38 specials and shotguns were standard when Bonnie and Clyde were a thing. I haven't seen a cop carry a revolver or have a 12 gauge heavy back up for aeons. I think the Sheriff still has one, but he isn't really supposed to respond to calls.
I'm not in love with semiautos personally and stick to bolt and pump(scary long gun type), but, just everywhere. And for a long time.
I'm not in love with semiautos personally and stick to bolt and pump(scary long gun type), but, just everywhere. And for a long time.
Bugfatty300
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Many PDs stuck with revolvers for decades because they believed that semi-auto handguns were too unreliable. Plus they required a lot more time and money to train with. By the time Law & Order aired most had converted but many detectives chose to carry revolvers out of preference, they generally didn't expect to get into much gunfights. Edit: Shooting movie blanks in revolvers is way simpler cheaper than adapting semi-autos so that may also be why there were more on TV back then.
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Looks like they lasted in NYPD with a few cops until last year https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/nyregion/new-york-police-revolver.html
but 50 out of over 38000 officers isn't many.
but 50 out of over 38000 officers isn't many.
Actually, I don't need to get into an extended debate. I might have just put too much emphasis on what you mean by standard. If the police departments were using six shooters, I'm going to say that it is a large component of what was considered standard.
I could be wrong, I did not become aware of the 15 + 1 until the eighties. Or at least, it didn't start feeling popular enough to be called Popular.
My quibble didn't matter, honestly. I think it's obvious that banning 15 and 22 round magazines is something that some people would want to fight. I don't need them, but I consider firearm ownership a privilege
I could be wrong, I did not become aware of the 15 + 1 until the eighties. Or at least, it didn't start feeling popular enough to be called Popular.
My quibble didn't matter, honestly. I think it's obvious that banning 15 and 22 round magazines is something that some people would want to fight. I don't need them, but I consider firearm ownership a privilege
Terms for magazine capacity originate from modern (defined as "post WWII") military definitions. According to those definitions, when it comes to rifles, 30 rounds is considered "standard capacity", anything above 30 is "high capacity", and anything below 30 is "low capacity".
Yeah, 38 specials are a thing of the past for police, but most cops do still have a shotgun in their cruiser as well as a rifle ever since the North Hollywood Shootout.
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