the "tramp stamp", what do we think about it?

And I reference you back to the cartoon, and you repeat the claim that it's isn't accurate, and I reference you back to the cartoon, and it goes on and on like that until you get over yourself. :rolleyes:

So, I take your lack of an actual counter-argument to mean that you have conceded defeat. Splendid! :beer:
 
Unfortunately, it is not what I said.
But I suppose you'd argue that this guy for instance
Spoiler :
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chose his hairstyle mostly because:
1) he wanted to stay unnoticeable.
2) he simply wouldn't look good any other way ( :sad: );
3) it's highly comfortable, practical and easy to maintain.
So did she, probably:
Spoiler :
Punk_Hair.jpg
No, I'd say they chose their hairstyles because they liked that hairstyle... Or is your entire argument, "I don't understand why people have hairstyles like that, therefore they must be attention whores or idiots"?
 
No, I'd say they chose their hairstyles because they liked that hairstyle...
All right, that means one of two things (or possibly both):
1) they like it because it draws attention to them; (as I said, "go out of their way to seek attention")
2) they like it so much, they prioritize their hairstyle over any downsides they know it'll inevitably bring. (as I said "don't have a job and not interested in getting one").

Can't see any third option, sorry.

EDIT: Actually, second option is a given, first one is possible on top of that.
 
And why is it inevitable that it will bring downsides...?
You said it yourself; existing societal mores, which you prefer to call prejudice.

Yes, this actually makes me see the third option: they have decided to become martyrs in their own personal crusade against what they perceive as the most burning problem of our time and age: societal prejudice against people with too much hair gel and free time.
 
You said it yourself; existing societal mores, which you prefer to call prejudice.
And this intense dislike towards anything that doesn't conform to "societal mores", I assume you have a rational reason for why a girl with spikey blue hair can't be as good an accountant or lawyer as one with brown, shoulder-length hair?
 
And this intense dislike towards anything that doesn't conform to "societal mores", I assume you have a rational reason for why a girl with spikey blue hair can't be as good an accountant or lawyer as one with brown, shoulder-length hair?
Oh, she absolutely can be. Never said it is impossible, only said it will be more difficult to her. It would probably mean she has to start her own law company, because noone else is likely to hire her. If she can make it, more power to her.
 
Oh, she absolutely can be. Never said it is impossible, only said it will be more difficult to her. It would probably mean she has to start her own law company, because noone else is likely to hire her. If she can make it, more power to her.
I'm asking you why no-one would employ her as an accountant or lawyer... What rational reason would you have to dismiss her as a candidate, despite having all necessary qualifications and interviewing equally well a candidate with brown, shoulder-length hair?
 
Unfortunately, it is not what I said.
But I suppose you'd argue that this guy for instance
Spoiler :
crazy_hair_styles01.jpg

chose his hairstyle mostly because:
1) he wanted to stay unnoticeable.
2) he simply wouldn't look good any other way ( :sad: );
3) it's highly comfortable, practical and easy to maintain.
So did she, probably:
Spoiler :
Punk_Hair.jpg

initially yes, it is all about attention, but once you move around the subculture for some time it just becomes a way to dress, something you start to find aethetically pleasing as the people around you sport a similar style.

completely over the top thingies which are highly impractical like in your examples also tend to go away. errected mohawks are for the new kids, usually they just fall to one side.
 
I'm asking you why no-one would employ her as an accountant or lawyer... What rational reason would you have to dismiss her as a candidate, despite having all necessary qualifications and interviewing equally well a candidate with brown, shoulder-length hair?
And I am telling you it does not matter. What matters, is that it objectively is so.
If you want reasons, start a social experiment. Didn't you work in a bank or something? Cut yourself a similar hairdo, refuse to remove it and see how long will you be given to pack your bags. Then you can ask HR managers of other banks who won't employ you, why they are being meanies. That is, if you even get to interview stage.
 
initially yes, it is all about attention, but once you move around the subculture for some time it just becomes a way to dress, something you start to find aethetically pleasing as the people around you sport a similar style.
Which means your way of dress becomes a signal you belong to a certain subculture and thus apparently share some of their ideals. But I guess if I was to infer that someone who looks like, say, a skinhead could actually be racist, I'd be pre-judging him.
(was that sentence grammatically correct, btw?)
 
it becomes less a signal that you belong to it, as you belong it.
more, you know, the way to dress, as "everyone" dresses like this.
 
Look at this pink hairdo'd freak!

She'll never get a job

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it becomes less a signal that you belong to it, as you belong it.
Huh? You mean the wearer becomes "less conscious" about it himself?
@ Paradigmshifter: as I mentioned, society is constantly becoming more and more tolerant (pushing those who want to stand out further and further); I find nothing particularly freakish about that girl myself.
 
no, i mean you belong to it anyway. it's your circle of friends. you dont even freaking care about signalling taht to anyone outside anymore, because freck them.
 
no, i mean you belong to it anyway. it's your circle of friends. you dont even freaking care about signalling taht to anyone outside anymore, because freck them.
Well, but for an outsider it is still a signal it can both catch and read correctly, whether the sender cares about it or not.
 
well your original point was people dress like this because they want attention, not because they find it an appealing way to look like.

and all i told you is that at some point it actually becomes an appealing way to look like for people, because they live within a subculture where it is the way to dress.
 
well I like to think that there is more than one dimension to somebody doing something. sure it is in a zone that is considered to be very sexy by many men, including myself. how is that wrong or bad?
Because, apparently, female sexuality is sinful and naughty and wrong. Ironic, I think, that this span off from the "babe thread"... :rolleyes:

Can we at least recognize that certain choices about how you look are a valid insight into someone's character? Getting an eagle tattooed on your shoulder may not say much about your character or personality, but getting glasses tattooed onto your face, where you can't cover it up, makes you look like a complete moron. Saying "If you have a tattoo then you're an idiot! lol!" is stupid, but let's not try and pretend that how people choose to portray themselves isn't an important part of their character. (I'm not sure if that's what you're arguing, but I do think it's a point that needs to be made, and is probably behind a lot of the general revulsion of tattoos expressed here. Also, most people here are probably too nerdy to go get tattoos of their own.)
Certainly, the tattoos themselves communicate something about the wearer, intentional or not. I merely debate the assertions that merely possessing a tattoo communicates anything much, and certainly that it necessarily represents some serious character flaw.
Also, wasn't the glasses thing was a hoax? Or is the jury still out on that one?

I'm amused by people like Traitorfist are crusaders for the everyday folk,
whom he thinks are all eclectic, lively beings of such unique imagination...
In reality, 80% of the people he champions will hardly understand what he
is talking about, and will ask him why he does not watch American Idol...

Referencing back to someone else's cartoon is ironic, as this act neatly
pushes him into the very category of people he seeks to speak up for...

:)
Aaaand back to the cartoon.

It is is a vicious cycle. :(

So, I take your lack of an actual counter-argument to mean that you have conceded defeat. Splendid! :beer:
It's more an acknowledgement that this argument cannot be won; certainly, flippantly posting a cartoon was not intended to be a serious argument in the first place. All I can do is suggest that I, at least, am not the übermensch, as some many fine posters here appear to be.
 
And I am telling you it does not matter. What matters, is that it objectively is so.
So you cannot provide any rational reason for this? There is no rational, logical reason why a blue-haired person with the same qualifications cannot perform the same job as a brown-haired person?

Again, I am generally opposed to stupid, irrational behaviour. This is stupid, irrational behaviour. That most people also display this stupid, irrational behaviour in no way makes it acceptable, it just makes most people stupid and irrational. I can't defend or accept stupid and irrational behaviour.
 
You're probably part of a subculture that highly approves of all this, Traitorfish. Hence why you feel the need to defend it at all costs. Truth is that it's something for 'those' kind of people for a lot of us. Maybe I'm too 'middle-class' for it :lol:
 
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