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The U.S legal system is awesome!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Xanikk999, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    Compare these two stories and tell me with a straight face there is no injustice and bias in sentencing versus the poor and white collar criminals.

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    Sure maybe I don't know all the facts but at face value how is it fair that a homeless man stealing to get food gets 15 years while a white collar criminal who defrauded many people only gets 40 months? It's disgusting..
     
  2. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall High Elven Ghost Agent

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    Stealing is still breaking the law no matter how one looks at it.
     
  3. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    You have to consider the circumstances. Considering the circumstances between both cases the sentences make absolutely no sense at all.

    I guess that's one way to get the homeless off the street. Prosecute them for trying to survive instead of helping them!
     
  4. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    Do you support both judgements then, CivGeneral?
     
  5. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    The point is the person whole stole vastly more is getting a lot less time, and the circumstances
     
  6. Newbunkle

    Newbunkle Muppet

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    A country forfeits its rights to have the law obeyed when it abandons people to poverty and suffering. Maybe when it grows up and changes it's behaviour it can start earning its rights back.
     
  7. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    Sod that, all bankers are thieves.

    Every penny subsidy they get is a penny robbed from the truly needy. Scum.
     
  8. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

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    Whether logical or not, there is a difference between physically robbing a bank and fraud.

    I do believe the 15 year sentence is probably too much, but without the facts of the case, I can't say. Saying he was "remorseful" doesn't say much. What is his past history, etc?
     
  9. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    Generous American safety net grants homeless man subsidized housing, health care and 3 meals a day.
     
  10. innonimatu

    innonimatu Deity

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    Now I'm curious: how exactly would you describe that difference - in your own words? It's a difference in what, exactly?
     
  11. pi-r8

    pi-r8 Luddite

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    Most prisoners have to do work while they're imprisoned though, and get paid basically nothing. They have to spend all their money at the prison store.
     
  12. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    Armed robbery is considered worse than fraud because the latter involves directly threatening the lives of others.

    Which would be worse? Someone draining your bank account or someone putting a gun to your head?
     
  13. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

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    If someone steals 10 dollars from my bank account. I'm annoyed.

    If someone holds me up and steals 10 dollars from my wallet, the money is the same, but there there's the physical aspect of someone being right there. For psychological reasons, the stealing of 10 dollars from my wallet would be a bigger deal even though the money amount is the same.

    The analogy isn't perfect, I understand, but a robber physically going in and robbing a bank is different than the fraud. That's not saying that the penalties shouldn't be the same, but it is saying that they are different and society seems to find one more criminal than the other.

    Edit: or as Bugfatty300 much more succinctly said. :yup:
     
  14. Bestbank Tiger

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    The CEO should have gotten life without parole. And not in a country club. He deserves PMITA prison.
     
  15. innonimatu

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    I see what you mean. But on overall damage to society, violence-wise, a large fraud pretty much always will be worse than an armed robbery. Just because the consequences of the fraud can't immediately be perceived (unlike the gun used on an armed robbery, for example), it doesn't mean that people's lives are not being ruined, that increased violence - probably much more violence than that involved in a small-scale armed robbery - isn't happening as a consequence. It would be ironic if the bank thieve were someone ruined by a fraud, wouldn't it? But it's not the case here.

    It's funny, some times the negative consequences of fraud and/or excessive greed was stressed in the media and in public discourse: I'm thinking of Dickens and his Christmas Carol, or Capra's "It's a Wonderful Life", etc. At other times frauds are uncovered daily but there isn't any outcry. We're on one of the later stages now. Perhaps it's a sign that these frauds simply are not very important, That things are still "so good" that people barely notice. Concern about fraud, the moral indignation, happens on really bad times and afterward. I guess we're still not at great-Depression levels of trouble. Invisible theft is still only perceived as "virtual".
     
  16. Dreadnought

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    The homeless man should have gotten the death penalty.
     
  17. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Someone putting a gun to my head is only draining my wallet which has no cash.

    Plus, why the hate for someone using a gun in their small business?
     
  18. amadeus

    amadeus The Choice of a New Generation

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    Was this Brown's first offense?
     
  19. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    You have to consider, first, that the two cases take place in two different states (Virginia and Louisiana, respectively) and, second, that one was a violent crime while the other was simply fraud. However, that being said, I sympathize with what you're trying to say. In the end, the bottom line is that we can tolerate crimes of greed far more than we tolerate crimes of desperation.
     
  20. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    Wasn't an armed robbery. Didn't hold a gun to someone's head.
     

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