The Weak Anthropic Principle.

[Mouthwash]

Oh, but I think the Israelis are remaining remarkably stoic under the aggression of their neighbours. And yes, a military expansion goal might not be fitting after all, if I compare it to, say, Germany's goal (which has to conquer most of Europe and England), because that's about the past, while this is an actual issue and 'conquer by 2020' implies that today's Israel is a country which actively tries to conquer it's neighbours.

This isn't an argument.

 

[strijder20]

This isn't an argument.

Excuse me? I wasn't trying to make one either. I'm just saying that I've changed my mind and that I agree with your pov and that there should be no 'Conquer the Middle East by 2020' goal if there is ever an Israel in DoC. My apologies if I misworded it.

 

[Mouthwash]

Excuse me? I wasn't trying to make one either. I'm just saying that I've changed my mind and that I agree with your pov and that there should be no 'Conquer the Middle East by 2020' goal if there is ever an Israel in DoC. My apologies if I misworded it.

All of your posts on this thread were rather hard to understand...

 

[Tschibo]

He talks about a famos mod, not politics.

 

[Leoreth]

He didn't seem to have arguments... I was debating some guy who used the "universe designed for us" argument to prove that we were living in a computer simulation.

Here, in the comments section, not the actual debate. I just used what you guys said about the WAP because I had no knowledge if there even was an argument against it. It does make perfect sense.

Thanks for the link ... if that's the argument he's trying to make he seems to agree with the strong anthropic principle. And that's really the only reason I can think of why someone would disagree with the weak variant. His critique of the WAP isn't very convincing though. That it is a tautology is what makes it such a good response to why the SAP isn't necessary to explain human existence in the universe, and the "most physicists disagree with it" part he can only have pulled out of his ass, hoping no one would bother to correct him.

 

[strijder20]

All of your posts on this thread were rather hard to understand...

Oh, but I think the Israelis are remaining remarkably stoic under the aggression of their neighbours. And yes, a military expansion goal might not be fitting after all, if I compare it to, say, Germany's goal (which has to conquer most of Europe and England), because that's about the past, while this is an actual issue and 'conquer by 2020' implies that today's Israel is a country which actively tries to conquer it's neighbours.

Combine that with the fact that I quoted your post about RFC DoC and it shouldn't be that terribly hard to understand.

 

[Mouthwash]

Combine that with the fact that I quoted your post about RFC DoC and it shouldn't be that terribly hard to understand.

No, your intentions were hard to understand. You could have easily been saying "maybe they aren't out to conquer the Middle East, but they still want to conquer Palestine." Since you brought it up I assumed that you wanted to debate.

 

[strijder20]

No, you're intentions were hard to understand. You could have easily been saying "maybe they aren't out to conquer the Middle East, but they still want to conquer Palestine." Since you brought it up I assumed that you wanted to debate.

All right, I can how my post could be interpreted in different ways. My apologies if I didn't word it clearly (and yes, usually people bring things up because they want to debate it, I decided to do something different for once )

 

[GoodGame]

Weak Anthropic Principle (WAP): The observed values of all physical and cosmological quantities are not equally probable but they take on values restricted by the requirement that there exist sites where carbon-based life can evolve and by the requirement that the Universe be old enough for it to have already done so.

One way to disprove it, and require revision, would be to find alien physicists derived from say silica-basis. It is definitely a falsifiable hypothesis but I don't think the current body of knowledge can disprove the possibility of non carbon-based life.

IF you take the wider view that it is just about lifeforms evolving to become physicist, then it is inherently impossible for us to observe it in that we nullify its possibility by our observations.

Proving or failing to prove the above has no relevance on an attempt to logically prove the existence of a metaphysical deity.

 

[MrCynical]

One way to disprove it, and require revision, would be to find alien physicists derived from say silica-basis. It is definitely a falsifiable hypothesis but I don't think the current body of knowledge can disprove the possibility of non carbon-based life.

Carbon vs. other types of life has nothing to do with the weak anthropic principle. All it states observers can only exist in a universe where it is possible for observers to exist. What they're made of is completely irrelevant. It's not really a hypothesis as such - simply a logical implication which is being ignored every time it is argued that it is surprising that we are in a universe where we can survive.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Strong Anthropic Principle: Someone made this glass in the precise shape required to hold the water in it!

Weak Anthropic Principle: Hey, look, a glass of water!

 

[Leoreth]

I suddenly feel reminded of the guy who argued for creationism by pointing out that bananas are tasty and perfectly fit into our hands.

 

[AlpsStranger]

I suddenly feel reminded of the guy who argued for creationism by pointing out that bananas are tasty and perfectly fit into our hands.

Exactly.

Hands are quite flexible. It's what they do.

 

[Leoreth]

Not to mention the other places bananas fit perfectly into that God presumably wouldn't be quite so happy with

 

[AlpsStranger]

It don't say nothin' in the Bible about not giving yourself a "Banana Split."

 

[Mouthwash]

I suddenly feel reminded of the guy who argued for creationism by pointing out that bananas are tasty and perfectly fit into our hands.

I thought that was a joke...

 

[GoodGame]

Carbon vs. other types of life has nothing to do with the weak anthropic principle. All it states observers can only exist in a universe where it is possible for observers to exist. What they're made of is completely irrelevant. It's not really a hypothesis as such - simply a logical implication which is being ignored every time it is argued that it is surprising that we are in a universe where we can survive.

I guess there are some even weaker forms of anthropic principle floating around on the internet, but hey you know what they say about internet arguments!

Regardless of how strong the anthropic principle one argues about, proving or disproving it has no relevance on a logical proof of the existence of a metaphysical deity.

 

[Mouthwash]

i guess there are some even weaker forms of anthropic principle floating around on the internet, but hey you know what they say about internet arguments!

Regardless of how strong the anthropic principle one argues about, proving or disproving it has no relevance on a logical proof of the existence of a metaphysical deity.

I WAS JOKING.

 

[GoodGame]

I WAS JOKING.

Oh so you took like an arrow to your disbelief?

 

[Leoreth]

I thought that was a joke...

If I remember correctly, the guy who created this video tried to claim this after the waves of ridicule from all over the internet, but I see no reason to believe this, considering how it was set up.