There are more of us than there are of them

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You clowns: "Conservatives aren't evil!"
Conservatives:
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Yeah well, you think everything from property rights to broccoli is fascism so what do you know :p
 
Patine said:
An interesting question, @Cloud_Strife. You ALWAYS talk as if right-wing, conservative White movements - political, social, and religious - are your ONLY major enemy and fear, the only ones persecuting you or have it out for you, and thus ALL of your rhetoric targets them, and you want to censor, criminalize, and destroy, but EXCLUSIVELY them. Now, here's a statistic you may have overlooked - in the United States every year, for quite a few years, a greater number of violent hate crimes against transpeople have been perpetrated by African-Americans that by Caucasian, or European-descended Americans, by a significant and notable margin. How do you rectify this with your myopically-focused rhetoric?
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African Americans don't control the apparatus of government, nor are they inherently opposed to the existence of transpeople like conservatives are, so your attempts to pivot fail.
 
Cloud_Strife said:
African Americans don't control the apparatus of government, nor are they inherently opposed to the existence of transpeople like conservatives are, so your attempts to pivot fail.
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They may not control the apparatus of government, though they've developed a number of powerful lobby groups that actually have significantly changed American laws and policies in a fair number of areas. And, I hate to burst your bubble of denial, but African-American culture IS traditionally and commonly inherently hostile toward, and opposed to the existence of, transpeople, like Conservative Whites are. I don't know where you ever got the idea that the great majority of African-American culture was more accepting or tolerant of transpeople, or the LGBTQ, spectrum, in general.
 
Ah yes, there truly are no functional differences between an ideology and an entire group of disparate people united only by their skin color, they are one and the same and there aren't at all any examples of African Americans supporting lgbt rights and causes historically and therefor i
 
Cloud_Strife said:
Ah yes, there truly are no functional differences between an ideology and an entire group of disparate people united only by their skin color, they are one and the same and there aren't at all any examples of African Americans supporting lgbt rights and causes historically and therefor i
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Trafficking in racial essentialism to own the libs
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I wasn't talking about race, but cultural tendencies. I had thought that was the basis of your attacks and myopic focus on "Conservative White American culture." There is, of course, exceptions to every rule. And I'm not "trying to own the libs," because that would imply a gave a damn, and had any interest in promoting, the brinkmanship of the stupidly over-simplified, braindead, socio-politically destructive and eroding, Neo-Manichaean, siege mentality view of the political spectrum - the viewpoint that, in and of itself, is doing more damage and harm to society by it's existence and promotion that either "side" is on their own - or that I was actually daft enough to take a side firmly in that fiasco. My motives were clarification - I'd appreciate people on these forums stop sticking words in my mouth I have never said, or declaring my intentions or beliefs on no basis or real evidence - and using such lies to make faux attacks against me. It's a tactic worthy of Donald Trump or a Fox News show host, so everyone who constantly does it knows who they're emulating in their flawed rhetoric. Besides, the hate crime statistics are what really matter, and you haven't even - predictably - addressed that part.
 
Conservative, white Americans hold a magnitude more power than African Americans, why would I punch down on an already marginalised group when I can punch up at the people who literally fund and vote for the ideology and policies that materially harm transpeople?

And regarding the statistics, I didn't address them because you didn't cute or link ANY.
 
Cloud_Strife said:
Conservative, white Americans hold a magnitude more power than African Americans, why would I punch down on an already marginalised group when I can punch up at the people who literally fund and vote for the ideology and policies that materially harm transpeople?

And regarding the statistics, I didn't address them because you didn't cute or link ANY.
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First of all, when you speak of African Americans, you make it sound like their position in American society hasn't changed at all since the 1940's to 1960's. It has. They are not marginalized. They may not have the direct power of those European-descended Americans (but, since @Lexicus just said, thinking in racial power blocs is not correct, @Cloud_Strife), they don't, on average, still have the absolutely wretched position they once did. Marginalized is not the right word there. Transpeople are marginalized, I will concede, but that term is not fully appropriate anymore to African-Americans, anymore. But, being to honestly say a group has shed the "marginalized" label should be good thing, and something aspired to, and taken pride in when it's accomplished, not clung to forever like a security blanket, shouldn't it?
 
Are you seriously telling me a group that routinely finds their right to vote suppressed, their basic human rights and dignity ignored by those in law enforcement, not to mention being on the receiving end of racism, both institutionally and individually aren't marginalized?

What are you talking about?
 
Cloud_Strife said:
Are you seriously telling me a group that routinely finds their right to vote suppressed, their basic human rights and dignity ignored by those in law enforcement, not to mention being on the receiving end of racism, both institutionally and individually aren't marginalized?

What are you talking about?
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You're narrative still, as I've said, shows a viewpoint that you believe that has changed for them since the 1940's to 1960's. You're viewpoint here, and you're response to my hate crime post, would make me think (though not ASSUME like some obnoxious posters like to do, self-righteously to me, but make a guess), that you don't many African-Americans above the VERY shallow acquaintance level.
 
As a white person, I don't need to worry or even think that the police might drag me aside and have their way with me on the basis of my race, but African Americans do, African Americans still have to worry about being denied the same opportunities that are given to whites irrespective of class, African Americans still suffer from the myriad of negative effects brought on by racism; ranging from incteased unemployment to higher sentencing for crimes.

What you are saying doesn't line up with the reality they face and I'm not going to throw PoCs under the bus just because they have bigots within their ranks.
 
Cloud_Strife said:
As a white person, I don't need to worry or even think that the police might drag me aside and have their way with me on the basis of my race, but African Americans do, African Americans still have to worry about being denied the same opportunities that are given to whites irrespective of class, African Americans still suffer from the myriad of negative effects brought on by racism; ranging from incteased unemployment to higher sentencing for crimes.

What you are saying doesn't line up with the reality they face and I'm not going to throw PoCs under the bus just because they have bigots within their ranks.
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I'm sure Kanye West, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, Beyoncé, Barack Obama, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson live in abject terror every time they step out their door, and feel as if all their basic rights are stripped from them daily.
 
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