There are more of us than there are of them

[Farm Boy]

But the practical reality is that it helps Conservatives way more.

Yeah, but if you're looking to avoid the big C type, those aren't bespoke to a party despite whatever dressup game they're playing.

Aloof isn't right. Cast off is probably more right.

 

[Patine]

"Both sides are bad" is seductive... I'll grant you that... makes you feel aloof a hell. But the practical reality is that it helps Conservatives way more.

You'll have to forgive my lack of conformity to artificial, contrived, and forced Neo-Manichaean thinking, but most of the MANY competing factions and interests are bad. It's not REALLY a purely two-sided battle, it's just dressed up that way deceptively for an ulterior motive.

 

[Phrossack]

You'll have to forgive my lack of conformity to artificial, contrived, and forced Neo-Manichaean thinking, but most of the MANY competing factions and interests are bad. It's not REALLY a purely two-sided battle, it's just dressed up that way deceptively for an ulterior motive.

For truly you, a superior mind, are above such PETTY, idiotic, neo-Manichaean, primitive, harebrained, savage, STUPID, neo-Manichaean, mindless, thoughtless, DROOLING, mindless, inferior, lesser, dunderheaded, childish, SOPHOMORIC, neo-Manichaean, neurotic, DELUDED, insane, neo-Manichaean, vacuous, facile, FRIVOLOUS, vapid, INANE concepts such as "recognizing the differences between political parties" or "humor" or "punctuation" as you have evolved BEYOND such PITIFUL things and are wise and all-knowing enough to see the DELUDED neo-Manichaean weaknesses of the FEEBLE minds of the inferior youth of these days, and you BEYOND good and evil and see things purely through THOUGHT and REASON and are ENLIGHTENED by your own INTELLECT

 

[Patine]

For truly you, a superior mind, are above such PETTY, idiotic, neo-Manichaean, primitive, harebrained, savage, STUPID, neo-Manichaean, mindless, thoughtless, DROOLING, mindless, inferior, lesser, dunderheaded, childish, SOPHOMORIC, neo-Manichaean, neurotic, DELUDED, insane, neo-Manichaean, vacuous, facile, FRIVOLOUS, vapid, INANE concepts such as "recognizing the differences between political parties" or "humor" or "punctuation" as you have evolved BEYOND such PITIFUL things and are wise and all-knowing enough to see the DELUDED neo-Manichaean weaknesses of the FEEBLE minds of the inferior youth of these days, and you BEYOND good and evil and see things purely through THOUGHT and REASON and are ENLIGHTENED by your own INTELLECT

Why is calling out the destructive and detrimental influence of Neo-Manichaean thinking and ideology on society - which is plain and visible - always considered the height of arrogance, conceit, and self-righteous narcissism here, but talking down to, and deriding someone, from a standpoint purely of one extreme of the spectrum or another is just standard discourse, and is, in fact, expected behaviour? Can anyone answer me this question WITHOUT being an a$$?

 

[Phrossack]

Why is calling out the destructive and detrimental influence of Neo-Manichaean thinking and ideology on society - which is plain and visible - always considered the height of arrogance, conceit, and self-righteous narcissism here, but talking down to, and deriding someone, from a standpoint purely of one extreme of the spectrum or another is just standard discourse, and is, in fact, expected behaviour? Can anyone answer me this question WITHOUT being an a$$?

Indeed, believers in neo-Manichaeanism - that mindset which LESSER and more PRIMITIVE minds than yourself, namely, literally everyone, FOOLISHLY call "black-and-white thinking" - are utterly INFERIOR and DELUDED to those who wisely SNEER at them for IDIOTICALLY believing that any given political party could POSSIBLY be any better or worse than another, and such DELUDED, arrogant, narcissistic, self-righteous, CONCEITED, neo-Manichaean, snobby, HAUGHTY, high-horse-riding, IVORY-TOWER-DWELLING, elitist, sneering, puffed-up, down-the-nose-looking, hoity-toity, silver-spoon-in-mouth-born-with FOOLS actually believe that one can learn such differences by observing, instead of simply KNOWING, like the wise man who solemnly bowed his head, that all things are EXACTLY the same and instead of clumsily fumbling for "evidence," that crutch of LESSER beings, or noticing that one party in the United States is clearly more manipulative, hostile to human rights, deceitful, pathologically dishonest, prone to succumbing to cults of personality, and committed to a corporate militaristic white supremacist theocracy than the other, which, while capitalist-dominated and often corrupt, is at least not entirely so, and harbors at least some candidates who are working to eliminate these weaknesses and oppose white supremacy, and theocracy, and corporate rule, and so on, they could simply launch a THESAURUS ASSAULT and YELL and INTIMIDATE with fearsome run-on-sentences and DESTROY their opposition with FACTS and LOGIC, which is far simpler and requires less work

 

[Truthy]

ENLIGHTENED by your own INTELLECT

Lol nice reference. In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because a CFC drinking is actually fun (@Hygro you getting these?)

 

[Patine]

Indeed, believers in neo-Manichaeanism - that mindset which LESSER and more PRIMITIVE minds than yourself, namely, literally everyone, FOOLISHLY call "black-and-white thinking" - are utterly INFERIOR and DELUDED to those who wisely SNEER at them for IDIOTICALLY believing that any given political party could POSSIBLY be any better or worse than another, and such DELUDED, arrogant, narcissistic, self-righteous, CONCEITED, neo-Manichaean, snobby, HAUGHTY, high-horse-riding, IVORY-TOWER-DWELLING, elitist, sneering, puffed-up, down-the-nose-looking, hoity-toity, silver-spoon-in-mouth-born-with FOOLS actually believe that one can learn such differences by observing, instead of simply KNOWING, like the wise man who solemnly bowed his head, that all things are EXACTLY the same and instead of clumsily fumbling for "evidence," that crutch of LESSER beings, or noticing that one party in the United States is clearly more manipulative, hostile to human rights, deceitful, pathologically dishonest, prone to succumbing to cults of personality, and committed to a corporate militaristic white supremacist theocracy than the other, which, while capitalist-dominated and often corrupt, is at least not entirely so, and harbors at least some candidates who are working to eliminate these weaknesses and oppose white supremacy, and theocracy, and corporate rule, and so on, they could simply launch a THESAURUS ASSAULT and YELL and INTIMIDATE with fearsome run-on-sentences and DESTROY their opposition with FACTS and LOGIC, which is far simpler and requires less work

So, the answer to my question is effectively "no," thus far. You cannot answer the question meaningfully, and being a jerk is required. How disappointing.

 

[cardgame]

Did you miss the memo, Patine? We live in a post-truth society now, and nuance that doesn't support our goals is just clogging up society's bandwidth for discussion. This probably sounds ironic, but it isn't really. Society can only hold so many limes at once. Holding a lime that won't advance the cause of human decency is a waste of space.

TL;DR who cares about what Locke and Demosthenes talk about on the Net? Care about the goals of each, not the words, which are, of course, mere stage dressing.

 

[Patine]

Lol nice reference. In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because a CFC drinking is actually fun (@Hygro you getting these?)

I'm obviously more trolls here. No meaningful discourse to be found.

 

[Patine]

Did you miss the memo, Patine? We live in a post-truth society now, and nuance that doesn't support our goals is just clogging up society's bandwidth for discussion. This probably sounds ironic, but it isn't really. Society can only hold so many limes at once. Holding a lime that won't advance the cause of human decency is a waste of space.

TL;DR who cares about what Locke and Demosthenes talk about on the Net? Care about the goals of each, not the words, which are, of course, mere stage dressing.

"Post-truth" is a garbage catchphrase.

 

[cardgame]

Then explain 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

 

[Patine]

I'm obviously more trolls here. No meaningful discourse to be found.

And I actually care about ideas that will better the world, advance forward, help as many as possible, and hold those in authority accountable and responsible for their actions in a mandate of transparency. Left-wing and right-wing fidelity aren't things I support, and always tend to be impediments to what I support, as well as constantly violating my sense of justice.

 

[Phrossack]

So, the answer to my question is effectively "no," thus far. You cannot answer the question meaningfully, and being a jerk is required. How disappointing.

Oh, it's in there, for those with eyes to see it.

 

[Patine]

Then explain 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

What about them? Summing up four whole years with one stupid catchphrase is not something I'm descending to.

 

[Patine]

Oh, it's in there, for those with eyes to see it.

The dim eyes of a troll, from living in the darkness of a cave under the bridge.

 

[cardgame]

And I actually care about ideas that will better the world, advance forward, help as many as possible, and hold those in authority accountable and responsible for their actions in a mandate of transparency.

Left-wing fidelity aren't things I support, and always tend to be impediments to what I support, as well as constantly violating my sense of justice.

Well ain't this a geographical oddity, two political parties away from anywhere!

 

[Phrossack]

The dim eyes of a troll, from living in the darkness of a cave under the bridge.

Simply calling everyone who thinks differently a "neo-Manichaean extremist" isn't a sign of intelligence. Having an opinion or preference isn't a sign of (insert every synonym for "stupidity" you can find). Sometimes there actually are differences between them, and angrily denying this and lashing out at everyone who thinks otherwise doesn't make you a genius, no matter how often you call people here stupid, or perform armchair psychological diagnoses, or ramble loudly. Nor does whining about how nobody else sees things your way make you a latter-day Cassandra.

I cannot and will not simplify it further.

 

[Patine]

Well ain't this a geographical oddity, two political parties away from anywhere!

What political parties? The two main political blocs in the United States aren't properly political parties by the standards of almost any other countries - except maybe the "parties of party" that dominate many of the Post-Soviet States. Neither has a coherent, unified ideology, platform, or agenda, or even solid, uncontested leadership - they're just forced coalition of several separate ideological camps each held together, artificially, by the relic of governance that is the Electoral College - made by individuals who wanted to give the Slave States incentive not to leave the Union before the Constitution was even ratified, and who had the utmost contempt and distrust for the competence of the common voter - camps that would, in a healthy political party system, each be their own party, and who are tearing these forced coalitions apart from within, as can be seen clearly every contested primary cycle. So, again, what is the point of this "two political parties (or non-parties)" statement, if I may ask?

 

[Patine]

Simply calling everyone who thinks differently a "neo-Manichaean extremist" isn't a sign of intelligence. Having an opinion or preference isn't a sign of (insert every synonym for "stupidity" you can find). Sometimes there actually are differences between them, and angrily denying this and lashing out at everyone who thinks otherwise doesn't make you a genius, no matter how often you call people here stupid, or perform armchair psychological diagnoses, or ramble loudly. Nor does whining about how nobody else sees things your way make you a latter-day Cassandra.

I cannot and will not simplify it further.

I have a certain point of view that doesn't involve taking a firm, re-defined "side" on the political spectrum, and I view the more extreme elements of both wings as detrimental to society and politics. But I am derided for this, and called all manners of analogous terms for egotistical and self-righteous. But arrogantly and pompously talking down to me (or anyone else) from an extreme partisan viewpoint is not considered the same - even if the attitude and tenor of the rhetoric is identical. EXPLAIN!

 

[Farm Boy]

Then explain 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

Inequality.