This new war

[boarder]

If Iran wish to play, they can be comfortably accomodated, regardless of terrain or spooky flying boats. There is simply no level of comparison, in either conventional or unconventional warfare.

It is in the interests of the US, allies and Israel to expand the war now, when the correlation of forces is firmly in our favour, as is the initiative. Simply doing a bit of bombardment in Lebanon will do nothing save benefit some construction companies; the opportunity must be taken to settle accounts on a more permanent basis.

Just as Syrian shelling of northern Israel from the Golan Heights in the 1960s was remedied by the annexation following the Six Day War, certain measures can be taken to alleviate pressure.

It is important to take on all elements of a problem, not just the proxies. Iran and Syria will fight to the last Lebanese soldier. Destroying the enemy now will save the need for more fractured dealings later.
The most effective way of dealing with Iran would be to destroy their gasoline processing and export facilities, which would leave them to wither on the vine, but it needs to be combined with strategic bombing of key targets, nuclear facilities, Revolutionary Guard and military targets, government and
C4I and leadership. A bit of the old shock and awe over the cities will remind the world who is in charge.

Right that will solve all the worlds problems
Im glad your not the one making these descions

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Did one mention that it would solve all the world's problems?
Did one imply that in any way, shape or form?

No. To characterize what was written as such is akin to having a parlous and thoroughly distant relationship with the concept of mendacity.

By extension, we are the ones making the decisions, we of the ruling parties of the West. I would bow to your great level of geopolitical analysis and prediction, but I fear to do so would not be adjacent to a proportional response to that which would make a Houyhnhnm whinny with sparkling bemusement.

Would you care to address the substance of what was written, or are your privileges kept to idle quips in Helen's gulag now?

 

[Steph]

Beside, it doesn't give control of Iranian oil to the US, so it's a bad plan for America

 

[Simon Darkshade]

That can all follow in due course, with preferential post conflict contracts with the new government.

If they were after the securing of Iranian oil, there are eminently suitable oplans in place.

 

[Sidhe]

A war with Iran will go on for so long that the value of it's natural resources will be outweighed by the cost of the war itself, much like Iraq, thousands of dead and little to show for it. The best way to stir up a bees nest is to keep prodding it with a stick, let's just invade the whole middle east in a ******** lust for blood and watch the suffering on wide screen TV like drooling simpletons. Why is Iran involved in this discussion at all, oh yeah some fool made some comment about Irans involvement with no evidence whatsoever and the rest of the dogs came sniffing round as if it was fact. Conspiracy theory anyone? Show me the link or take this to another thread it doesn't belong here at all, if you can't prove Iran is directly involved, kindly take your weak speculation into a new thread and don't clutter this one up with rumour and inane ponderings, is it too much to ask that a thread stay on topic anyway? Obviously it is. How many times does the west have to get a bloody nose before it gets the message that the Middle East is not some easy target that just rolls over and plays dead when it's beaten, how many more underground bombs, 9/11's, train explosions? Huh, what do you want, how many deaths on both sides do you wish to see before your sated?

 

[El_Machinae]

I can not understand sarcastic

He was pointing out all the obvious problems with war, but pretending to not mind. It is a way of showing an opinion while being a little funny.

You notice that he lists many bad things that will happen from the war? He is doing this to show all the reasons he is against it. I guess when you talk to more people on the internet, it will become easier to understand sarcasm

 

[PersianBoy]

seems environment of place is favour of war
we iranians r peacefull ppl but treaten any one who wanna to attack us that we r not a easy food for america's lion
i wish no war accured but with any attack to iran, persian golf lose its security and no oil tanker can pass this golf
before attacking iran think that about 40 percent of oil consumed by world comes from persian gulf

 

[El_Machinae]

There is a great feeling that Iran is supporting the terrorists that attack Western nations. This is why Iran is regarded with such close eyes.

 

[PersianBoy]

border
u live in new zeland
ppl of ur country what think about ur country's president?
for iran's leader Khameneii, he is only leader and no administrator
ppl say all things u can imagine about a person
but if u mean, most of ppl what said about leaders (superme leader and president) I only can say that nothing
they yelling about unemployment infaltion and things like this
if have any other question ask i will be glad to answer

 

[PersianBoy]

El MAchine
thank u for ur explaining

 

[PersianBoy]

ppl of Iran have one common charastristic
they think emotional not regional
if USA attack Iran IMO all ppl of Iran unified to defend Iran
best acton for iran's united is a restricted attack
maybe in warfare Iran be so weak compare to USA but mental situation is important too
Maybe name of Iran and Iraq is same without n or q but charastristics is diffrent

 

[PersianBoy]

I don't think Iran build a problem for world
better think of North Korea
they test missile out of its border and don't allow international athorities to view its nuclear sites and others
but no one attack them

but Iran only wanna more time to think about west recommendation
u don't beleive but in Iran in hot days suddenly electrecity cut and need to electrecity is high and growing faster then building power planets
maybe answer that Iran have too much oil and can use petrolum except nuclear but what to do with pollution
Iran build various kind of power planets but electrecity is need
technology of equipment r old because USA threaten any one to sell new technologies to Iran will be punish
therefore old technologies use much energy then new technologies and think with justice when u have all new technologies like PC to play CIV why me as a Iranian youht don't have it
anyone can answer?

 

[boarder]

Did one mention that it would solve all the world's problems?
Did one imply that in any way, shape or form?

No. To characterize what was written as such is akin to having a parlous and thoroughly distant relationship with the concept of mendacity.

By extension, we are the ones making the decisions, we of the ruling parties of the West. I would bow to your great level of geopolitical analysis and prediction, but I fear to do so would not be adjacent to a proportional response to that which would make a Houyhnhnm whinny with sparkling bemusement.

Would you care to address the substance of what was written, or are your privileges kept to idle quips in Helen's gulag now?

Not really, you favour war, I favour dialogue. I don't see how we could reach any kind of understanding or agreement.
Therefore my sarcasm at your expectation that widening the war will solve everything or anything. It hasn't worked in the last 60 yrs in the ME so why would your plan achieve anything except more wars.
None of this would be necesary if the west(America)had taken up Iran's offer to renounce terrorism, stop supporting Hamas and Hebollah, freeze uranium enrichment and recognize Israel that they made after the fall of Saddam.
One reaps what he sows.

Why is Iran involved in this discussion at all, oh yeah some fool made some comment about Irans involvement with no evidence whatsoever and the rest of the dogs came sniffing round as if it was fact. Conspiracy theory anyone? Show me the link or take this to another thread it doesn't belong here at all, if you can't prove Iran is directly involved, kindly take your weak speculation into a new thread and don't clutter this one up with rumour and inane ponderings, is it too much to ask that a thread stay on topic anyway?

Are you saying that Iran isnt supplying,training and backing Hizbollah?
Isnt this thread about basically what will happen next, imo Iran is very relevant.

 

[PersianBoy]

the only group that Iran support is hizbeallah
if u study more about Iran and Southern Lebonan, find that both of them have same religion (I don't mean Islam but Shia)
every country and nation in world have perefernces, so for Iran
when Taliban govern Afghanistan 1 time all Iranians think that war between Iran and Afghanistan would start next day because Taliban attack Iran' ministry in Mazar Sharif (I wish name of city will be true) and kill all iranians there
I remember that all ppl wanna to Iran attack Taliban and shown them who have power but government athorities don't agree because Iranians are peacefull ppl and angery of ppl had gone

 

[boarder]

border
u live in new zeland
ppl of ur country what think about ur country's president?
for iran's leader Khameneii, he is only leader and no administrator
ppl say all things u can imagine about a person
but if u mean, most of ppl what said about leaders (superme leader and president) I only can say that nothing
they yelling about unemployment infaltion and things like this
if have any other question ask i will be glad to answer

My countrys president? Shes only a primeminister but I dont like her at all actually, is that what your saying?
Its hard to get the true feeling of a population like Iran without living there thats why I asked, But I did read that his popularity has shoot up due to his rhetoric towards the west, Do you think that a lot of what he says is due to his promises before election to help the poor etc of Iran and hasnt delivered and the voters werent happy so to hide this he makes the calls he does like wanting to get rid of Israel from the passage of time(aka Israel wiped from the map speech)? Or do you think he is serious?
Is it generally accepted in Iran that he got into power through all the right channels or was the controversy during the second round well knowen about?
And if so is it thought that its due to the supreme leader wanting a more west hating president?(thats the impression portrayed here that he hates the west)
Do you believe in the Fatwa issued that Nuclear weapons are illegal in the Muslim world?
What do you think of your countrys support for Hizbollah?
I am just interested so thank you for answering.

EDIT:Ok now im threadjacking, my apologies to anyone annoyed by this
Double edit:Wrote this before you posted a few answers in above post.

 

[PersianBoy]

in Iran every athority and governer who work badly says USA r responcible to these casualities because USA banned Iran and casualities accured due to this reason
but see China after others accepting China, everyday gone signs and color of commonism is losing and capitalism is growing
IMO Taliban was the most fundamentalist group of world but remember where they gain power and govermnet, Afghanistan one of the most undevelopod countries of world
IMO USA by banning Iran support fundamentalism in Iran but if allow to new technologies come to Iran and economic growing of Iran will accure, power of fundamentalism in Iran decreases
today there was in Iran 2 mainstream dialougue:
1- fundamentalism
2- modernism
USA by banning Iran cause fundamentalism gain more power and modernism lose its power in favour of fundamentalism
I accept that our president threaten Israel but this lose his popularity between modern thinking ppl and in turn increase his popularity between fundamentalists
there is today situation in Iran
these 2 groups in Iran try to advertize between ppls
because number of these 2 groups r small and usal ppl who don't care about Israel or any thing else that not related directly to their life r greatest
5 or 10 percent for each group and others r usal ppl
every group who can attract usal gain power for 4 years

 

[El_Machinae]

The BEST thing you can do to decrease the chance of war is to do what you're doing. Going out and answering questions from a local perspective. Could you link us to information about modernist groups in Iran?

As well, could you please use full words? Writing the full words makes it much easier to read what you're saying, and also makes you seem more respectable.

 

[PersianBoy]

it is not important he or she ot maybe it and so with what name, president adminstrartor, queen, king or what ever else
he or she (maybe it) is ruller and have power
many person in Iran like u "dont like her at all actually" but he is powerful
in ur country she can order to build whatever u need in ally and near house then u may like she
In Iran power of president r too much
he can easiely concentrate on a special city more than other cities and order to build for examples new schools there or in my case factory
or maybe he can order to empoly me some where
this is important

 

[boarder]

I don't think Iran build a problem for world
better think of North Korea
they test missile out of its border and don't allow international athorities to view its nuclear sites and others
but no one attack them

I think this had something to do with the north being able to wipe out Seoul in about half a hour, and/or that they have nuclear weapons.

but Iran only wanna more time to think about west recommendation

The problem as I see it is that the longer time goes on the more advanced Iran will be with there nuclear technology so in the eyes of the west time is of importance.

u don't beleive but in Iran in hot days suddenly electrecity cut and need to electrecity is high and growing faster then building power planets
maybe answer that Iran have too much oil and can use petrolum except nuclear but what to do with pollution?

Is that the reason for petrol rationing?

ran build various kind of power planets but electrecity is need
technology of equipment r old because USA threaten any one to sell new technologies to Iran will be punish
therefore old technologies use much energy then new technologies and think with justice when u have all new technologies like PC to play CIV why me as a Iranian youht don't have it
anyone can answer?

I agree that it is a injustice, and whereas if you(Iran) can prove that its only for peaceful purposes and not for nuclear weapons then there is no Cauis Bellius for a attack, the problem is, as I see it, is Americas distrust stemming all the way back to 1979 and the overthrow of Mohammed Reza Pahlavi and the long history of terrorism which Iran was implicated in, add to that the change after September 11, The strong Jewish lobby pushing for a strike against Iran and it all adds up to Iran not being trusted by America which leads to other mainly western nations following Americas lead and then the media in all those countrys putting a negative spin on anything to do with Iran and you soon have the public viewing Iran in a negative light.
It is in no way helped by the rhetoric coming out of Ahmadinejad's mouth which just worsens the situation tenfold.
And at present the seemingly obvious link between the missiles and the anti ship missiles which Hizbollah are firing at Israel.
So you add all those up and it makes it easy for a superpower to persuade world opinion and its own people into attacking a country in that situation, take Iraq for a example, most if not all countrys thought he had WMD when he didnt.
Thats just why I think Iran finds itself being so threatened at the moment anyway.
And unfortunetly or fortunetly depending on how you look at it life isnt like a game of civ

 

[PersianBoy]

All of our presidents from revolation time have this popularity
every where they go ppl collect and call his name (unfortunately we have not a weman as president) because after that local athurity say youth of this regoin need work so president order to build some factories in there or whatever that local athority want
if u call ppl being happy from president's speech then u never see ppl after speech of superme leader Khameneii