This new war

[El_Machinae]

Godwynn how much old u r?

Don't worry, Godwynn was being sarcastic. He actually would like the world to become a better place, not a worse place.

I don't enjoy the thriving conflict at all, because it will likely set back our technological/industrial progress something fierce; meaning, we'll have to wait longer for certain breakthroughs that we'd all like.

 

[Kozmos]

Don't worry, Godwynn was being sarcastic. He actually would like the world to become a better place, not a worse place.

I don't enjoy the thriving conflict at all, because it will likely set back our technological/industrial progress something fierce; meaning, we'll have to wait longer for certain breakthroughs that we'd all like.

Or it may speed it up.

 

[Godwynn]

Gas is overrated.

I wish it was, and it might be in Europe. In America it is a necessity. We are not as densely populated, nor have the mass transit to reach all places like in Europe.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Iran's 4-ship navy was destroyed a while back, according to my dad.

I think they still have a few old Soviet subs, but their diesels, and they've been in port for the past 20 years.
But in the late 80s, we did kinda smash their crappy navy when they went after a US Missle Destroyer.

 

[boarder]

I think they still have a few old Soviet subs, but their diesels, and they've been in port for the past 20 years.
But in the late 80s, we did kinda smash their crappy navy when they went after a US Missle Destroyer.

Well even though they would probably like a navy they don't really need one, there anti ship missiles seem to do the job just fine, as demonstrated by the attack on the Israeli ship a couple of days ago.
Also they have hundreds of small docks around the coast which house small motor boats that they can pack with explosives and use as suicide attacks, they are to small and fast to be intercepted by on board radar systems apparently.
They have gotten smart and used technology and improvisation to make up for a lack of a navy.
Ill try and find the article I read regarding it all.

 

[Azadre]

The most important thing that we can do is reimplement the rail system in the States. If the need arises, we use coal to power our country again. FTW!

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Well even though they would probably like a navy they don't really need one, there anti ship missiles seem to do the job just fine, as demonstrated by the attack on the Israeli ship a couple of days ago.
Also they have hundreds of small docks around the coast which house small motor boats that they can pack with explosives and use as suicide attacks, they are to small and fast to be intercepted by on board radar systems apparently.
They have gotten smart and used technology and improvisation to make up for a lack of a navy.
Ill try and find the article I read regarding it all.

The USN has been doing a pretty good job of intercepting these small boats, insurgents have been using them to try and attack offshore oil platforms in the Persian Gulf. But yes, the Exocet missle would bring down many ships not covered by AEGIS. However, it was a drone that hit that IDF ship, not a missle.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

The most important thing that we can do is reimplement the rail system in the States. If the need arises, we use coal to power our country again. FTW!

Three huzzahs for the Industrial Age!
I personally would not mind at all seeing steam trains on the rails again ( I'm kind of a railfan).

 

[boarder]

The USN has been doing a pretty good job of intercepting these small boats, insurgents have been using them to try and attack offshore oil platforms in the Persian Gulf. But yes, the Exocet missle would bring down many ships not covered by AEGIS. However, it was a drone that hit that IDF ship, not a missle.

These are different to the ones used by insurgents, I cant find the article about it though sorry, from memory they where tiny with just enough room for one man,could travel at very high speed and had radar reflecting material on them and Iran has at a guess around 2-300 the article said.

They have also discovered it was a C802 radar guided missile that hit the ship and not a drone as first thought, that is funnily enough what Iran has lots of. So I am guessing that Iran saw it as a excellant chance to test them out in a real situation.

 

[homeyg]

I think they still have a few old Soviet subs, but their diesels, and they've been in port for the past 20 years.
But in the late 80s, we did kinda smash their crappy navy when they went after a US Missle Destroyer.

Well, the point is, their navy bites the weeny.

 

[boarder]

Well, the point is, their navy bites the weeny.

But does it, in a conventional sense, yes it very much does, but in this day and age and the aims of what Iran needs to have to either protect itself or close down the straights it has excellant capabilities.

They haven't been spending there money in buying new tanks planes boats and the like,most of it has been going into there own technology of missile design and systems and reverse engineering, and what is useful for them in there own conditions regarding the level of sophistication of there enemies.

So one of the needs of a navy in the traditional sense is to be able to project power overseas and Iran doesnt need to do this they are far better off developing systems to cripple any boats around there coast imo.

 

[Neomega]

I just wanna say, there are things I can no longer say.

But war loving America is going to get what it is wishing for.

Everything makes sense now, and WW III is beginning. Newt Gingrich is right, when he said that. I don't like him, but he can see history well.

Right now, Iran and Syria and Israel are tapping eachothers gloves and dancing around the ring, ducking and bobbing their heads, trying read eachother's eyes. The fight will begin soon. They are ready, only one country, that will soon hop in the ring too, isn't very ready, they have been eating too many potato chips and watching too much springer. I mean yes, the gloves are class, and colorful, and the trunks are a beautiful red, white, and blue, but the fighter itself, is fat, and completely unaware that the fight is tonight.... what, huh?

 

[blargh]

... but the fighter itself, is fat, and completely unaware that the fight is tonight.... what, huh?

Sounds like pugilistic dementia.

 

[PersianBoy]

Its in my profile, why does it matter?

u r so eager for war
then u must know that youth ppl go to war and then kill in war.
maybe uncle sam needs u!!!

Don't worry, Godwynn was being sarcastic. He actually would like the world to become a better place, not a worse place.

I don't enjoy the thriving conflict at all, because it will likely set back our technological/industrial progress something fierce; meaning, we'll have to wait longer for certain breakthroughs that we'd all like.

all of u seat over the oceans and talk about ME but we in ME every day feel things u talk about
so night me and my freind talk about Iran and USA and Israel and...
we fear about our future
we have a sence like youth ppl in WWII have
so much ppl every day kill in Iraq and Afghanestan and Iran r between these countries
losing our peace and dropping into a war. so trible!!!

Iran's navy always r weak I mean through history, so Iran cannot stand in sea against USA navy and it's true Iran lose 4 of its best ships in war with Iraq. But in that war these ships rescue Iran.
These boats r build from composite materials and in radar cannot see them originally they use for fishing and have enough room for only 4 persons. Main characteristics of these boat r speed. They r so fast can contain a small missile for attacking
But Iran waits for USA in non sea places. Iraq is a flat country but Iran r mountainous and in many areas only light equipments r useful. Environment of Iran like Afghanistan's environment. Although Tehran placed on non mountainous place but other important cities places on mountain. Difference with Afghanistan is that in Iran there wasn’t any strong opposites

 

[boarder]

PersianBoy...
Do the average Iranian on the street understand the wests concern regarding the nuclear issue?
What do you think of your president? what is the average persons view of him?
What about Ayatollah Khomeni do Iranians realise that he is the one in charge?What are there views on him?
What is the average attitude towards Israel, and what is currently going on in Lebanon?
What is the average persons view of Syria?
Do you understand your countrys postion on its support for Hizbollah and there supplying of missiles to them? Do you think this is right or wrong?

Hope you can answer these few questions as I dont get a chance to ask someone living in Iran at all. Thankyou.

 

[El_Machinae]

u r so eager for war

Godwynn is not eager for war at all. He was being sarcastic, which is a way of expressing his opinion

 

[PersianBoy]

Godwynn is not eager for war at all. He was being sarcastic, which is a way of expressing his opinion

I can not understand sarcastic

 

[Steph]

PersianBoy...
What about Ayatollah Khomeni do Iranians realise that he is the one in charge?

I suppose most of the Iranians realise Khomeni is no longer the one in charge.
I suspect it has been the case since June 3, 1989, when he died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khomeni

 

[boarder]

I suppose most of the Iranians realise Khomeni is no longer the one in charge.
I suspect it has been the case since June 3, 1989, when he died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khomeni

Oh my how embarrassing
I meant Khamenei. Easy mix up they are pretty similar

 

[Simon Darkshade]

If Iran wish to play, they can be comfortably accomodated, regardless of terrain or spooky flying boats. There is simply no level of comparison, in either conventional or unconventional warfare.

It is in the interests of the US, allies and Israel to expand the war now, when the correlation of forces is firmly in our favour, as is the initiative. Simply doing a bit of bombardment in Lebanon will do nothing save benefit some construction companies; the opportunity must be taken to settle accounts on a more permanent basis.

Just as Syrian shelling of northern Israel from the Golan Heights in the 1960s was remedied by the annexation following the Six Day War, certain measures can be taken to alleviate pressure.

It is important to take on all elements of a problem, not just the proxies. Iran and Syria will fight to the last Lebanese soldier. Destroying the enemy now will save the need for more fractured dealings later.
The most effective way of dealing with Iran would be to destroy their gasoline processing and export facilities, which would leave them to wither on the vine, but it needs to be combined with strategic bombing of key targets, nuclear facilities, Revolutionary Guard and military targets, government and
C4I and leadership. A bit of the old shock and awe over the cities will remind the world who is in charge.