This new war

[PersianBoy]

controversy (IMO)= fundamentalist
and he is not serious and never do what he said
ur preminister maybe say something to gain vote and after that maybe ppl go and ask her preminister u said before election balah belah. r u do what u promise?
but in Iran he easiely answer the eviel USA don't allow to do what we promise and only some of them had done and nobody say why

 

[PersianBoy]

superme leader don't hate west and don't hate east
he only want to rule Iran and calm down ppl when they angry for inflation or unempolyment

 

[El_Machinae]

Do Iranians believe that the fatwa against Nuclear Weapons still stands?

 

[PersianBoy]

yes in islamic rule every thing that kills all of ppl (childern, women, solder and ...) is prohibited
mass killer I mean like chimical, nuclear and ...
and every thing that kill someone who wanna kill u is encouraged ( this is personally not socially)
I think talk about hizbeallh

 

[boarder]

it is not important he or she ot maybe it and so with what name, president adminstrartor, queen, king or what ever else
he or she (maybe it) is ruller and have power
many person in Iran like u "dont like her at all actually" but he is powerful
in ur country she can order to build whatever u need in ally and near house then u may like she
In Iran power of president r too much
he can easiely concentrate on a special city more than other cities and order to build for examples new schools there or in my case factory
or maybe he can order to empoly me some where
this is important

In my country is almost now impossible to build anything new due to the Resource Management Act, but thats another story.

So you are saying that Ahmadinejad has to much power and uses this to influence people in there support for him?
Where does the Ayatollah fit into all of this? He has veto power over everything? And do the clerics and conservatives, Coucil of Guardians and Parliament not have to approve or have a say in what Ahmadinejad does?
Or is that just a myth and Ahmadinejad has more power than is realised? or at least realised by me

 

[boarder]

controversy (IMO)= fundamentalist
and he is not serious and never do what he said
ur preminister maybe say something to gain vote and after that maybe ppl go and ask her preminister u said before election balah belah. r u do what u promise?
but in Iran he easiely answer the eviel USA don't allow to do what we promise and only some of them had done and nobody say why

Yes i think all politicans in every country do that
Unfortunetly when its widely reported that he calls for Israel to be wiped off the map its taken very seriously by a lot of people, and he is often portrayed as being a fundamentalist who thinks hes the Messiah and all he wants to do is to build a bomb to nuke Israel, sad, but thats often how he is portrayed in the media.

and every thing that kill someone who wanna kill u is encouraged ( this is personally not socially)
I think talk about hizbeallh

Are you saying that Iran supports Hizbollah due to its protection of Lebanon from Israel?

 

[PersianBoy]

maybe u know Akbar Ganji
he is one of the modern favour in Iran
Musharecat party (www.mosharekat.com/) who winned in exelection favoured west
many examples like these, exit in Iran
and so for fundamentaism like ansare hezbollah (www.ansarehezbollah.org/)
but I think thier site be only in persian and u cannot understand them

"I think this had something to do with the north being able to wipe out Seoul in about half a hour, and/or that they have nuclear weapons."

this kind of thinking encourage Iran to build to gain some nukes because after that Iran can wipe out Tel Aviv in half of hour or maybe Paris of Rome or anywhere u say
this kind of thinking is favoured by extrimly fundamentalists
they say look NK nobody attack them because they have nukes
but modenists say look at them thier ppl is starving so we must don't make things to be like them cooprate with west
ppl only look and don't say anything

 

[PersianBoy]

"The problem as I see it is that the longer time goes on the more advanced Iran will be with there nuclear technology so in the eyes of the west time is of importance."
I don't think 1 mount is enough to advance a nuclear technology
I don't remeber how turn it take time to advance in CIV but sure it was more than 1 turn

 

[PersianBoy]

shortage is suddenly not permanent then no need to coupons but in future it will be permanent if Iran can not build more planets including nuclear planets

 

[PersianBoy]

boarder you are living in new ziland if for example a very strong country like japan in the time of WWII attack a country who have very near and same charastristics like australia and u know that no other country like it exist then u don't wish to help Australia with every thing you have maybe u send solder
but if ur country is weaker then Japan and if goes war with Japan then defeated don't try to help Australia in way that nobody knows ( or maybe some one know in persian we have a wellknown say that sun never be in back of clouds)

 

[PersianBoy]

el machinae are you a religious person
if yes then know that religious persons in Iran beleive that Mass killing tools are prohibited
in Shia every muslim must obey religious persons named AYATO ALLAH EL AZAM means "great sign of God"
and as I know all of this SIGNS say that mass killing tools and warfare is prohibited

 

[boarder]

this kind of thinking encourage Iran to build to gain some nukes because after that Iran can wipe out Tel Aviv in half of hour or maybe Paris of Rome or anywhere u say
this kind of thinking is favoured by extrimly fundamentalists
they say look NK nobody attack them because they have nukes
but modenists say look at them thier ppl is starving so we must don't make things to be like them cooprate with west
ppl only look and don't say anything

Yes unfortunetly its the reality, you arent going to attack someone who can cause enough damage to you to make it not worth your while.
Its also said by some commentators and posters on here that even Mutually Assured Defence won't work with Iran if it did have nukes.Due to the way Ahmadinejad has been portrayed, but also the Mullahs are portrayed as American/Israeli hating saddists. Not by me im just trying to explain the level of distrust and the reasons as I see them for it.

I don't think 1 mount is enough to advance a nuclear technology
I don't remeber how turn it take time to advance in CIV but sure it was more than 1 turn

No but you are missing the point, America is already impatient and doesnt see that as much of a option.

shortage is suddenly not permanent then no need to coupons but in future it will be permanent if Iran can not build more planets including nuclear planets

Oh lack of refinerys you mean?

boarder you are living in new ziland if for example a very strong country like japan in the time of WWII attack a country who have very near and same charastristics like australia and u know that no other country like it exist then u don't wish to help Australia with every thing you have maybe u send solder
but if ur country is weaker then Japan and if goes war with Japan then defeated don't try to help Australia in way that nobody knows ( or maybe some one know in persian we have a wellknown say that sun never be in back of clouds)

Ok so you see Hizbollah as defenders of a weaker nation that is similar in most aspects and ideology against a larger aggressive nation is basically what your saying.
Is this the general consesus in Iran?

maybe u know Akbar Ganji
he is one of the modern favour in Iran
Musharecat party (www.mosharekat.com/) who winned in exelection favoured west
many examples like these, exit in Iran
and so for fundamentaism like ansare hezbollah (www.ansarehezbollah.org/)
but I think thier site be only in persian and u cannot understand them)

My Farsi's a little rusty any of them in english

 

[PersianBoy]

"you are saying that Ahmadinejad has to much power and uses this to influence people in there support for him?
Where does the Ayatollah fit into all of this? He has veto power over everything? And do the clerics and conservatives, Coucil of Guardians and Parliament not have to approve or have a say in what Ahmadinejad does?
Or is that just a myth and Ahmadinejad has more power than is realised? or at least realised by me"
First I must say that Ahmadi nehad is not Ayatoallah. he have PhD in Civil and before come to politics teach in a university
then he can talk with any one who share in power and say I do this for your favour and in turn you do so for me
modt of power that i say is really exist and remember that i live in a developing country
you say all things are build in your country but not in mine
and many cities need to build some thing there and perefering in which city build first and then in others is president's duty an dhe use this duty in his favour

 

[PersianBoy]

"Unfortunetly when its widely reported that he calls for Israel to be wiped off the map its taken very seriously by a lot of people, and he is often portrayed as being a fundamentalist who thinks hes the Messiah and all he wants to do is to build a bomb to nuke Israel, sad, but thats often how he is portrayed in the media"
muslims have many religious places in Israel and if we wiped out Israel with a bomb (espicailly with a nuclear bomb) all muslims attack us
we only wanna palestinian refugees come back their home in Israel, homes belong to them befor Jews come to there after WWII
for a very long time Muslims, Jews and Christians live there peacefully under the Islamic rullers
Jews suffer most from Romans and Romans kill Jesus in Palestine
but history never say muslims kill jews or christians in palestine except Christian attack islamic countries and muslims defeat them
we only want to recover that situation but Isrealies don't want and don't allow palestinian refugees come back thier home

 

[Sidhe]

Are you saying that Iran isnt supplying,training and backing Hezbollah?
Isnt this thread about basically what will happen next, imo Iran is very relevant.

I presume you meant Beirut or Hezbollah so I changed it.

Fine kindly stick to what it is doing, or at least what respectable sources think it is doing, I don't respect speculation based on speculation without a link, I want reality not inference, not what will happened when the US invade because Iran has built seven warheads and fired them all at Haifa. Just the facts please, I'm getting tired of the ardent conspiracy theorists, it's getting a bit lame frankly.

I don't know! You watch a couple of news reports speculating as to Irans involvement and the next thing you know it's all down to George Bush dressed as an Arab paying Hezbolah to kidnap soldiers and to fire on Israel to give Iran a reason to posture, which will then lead to them backing up there claims and the US invading Iran, blah, blah,blah,BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS. You know what I'm talking about, cut it out it's high order nonsense, if you want to play the "I'm the king of conjecture" game, take it to another thread ,where your imaginings can be given the scant regard they deserve by simpletons frothing at the mouth and spilling inane unreasoned unfathomable nonsense about a situation that in all likelihood will never come to pass.

Which is more reasoned my ranting or their speculation? Close call.

 

[Sidhe]

"Unfortunetly when its widely reported that he calls for Israel to be wiped off the map its taken very seriously by a lot of people, and he is often portrayed as being a fundamentalist who thinks hes the Messiah and all he wants to do is to build a bomb to nuke Israel, sad, but thats often how he is portrayed in the media"
muslims have many religious places in Israel and if we wiped out Israel with a bomb (espicailly with a nuclear bomb) all muslims attack us
we only wanna palestinian refugees come back their home in Israel, homes belong to them befor Jews come to there after WWII
for a very long time Muslims, Jews and Christians live there peacefully under the Islamic rullers
Jews suffer most from Romans and Romans kill Jesus in Palestine
but history never say muslims kill jews or christians in palestine except Christian attack islamic countries and muslims defeat them
we only want to recover that situation but Isrealies don't want and don't allow palestinian refugees come back thier home

Nice to have it from the horses mouth for a change, I presume your new to off topic, if so welcome.

We know the historical situation of the Middle East from the Canaanite and Philistines to the modern day and we know how Palestine was subjugated and cast off it's hereditary lands, we also know how Israel broke a treaty and stole more land after the partition of the country by the UN, for what it's worth I am one of the few impartial voices of reason here, ranting aside Who calls for peace not war, treaty not death, there are a few of us around. If you want to learn a bit more about the history check out the Palestinian threads it's discussed at length, so much so that people got a bit bored of it

 

[PersianBoy]

"lack of refinerys you mean?"
yes lack of refinery lack of piplelines lack of turbines and ...
lack of technologies is more imprtant and don't remember pollution. today Tehran and most of large Iranian cities suffer from heavy pollution
clear energies and new equipments needed
I have a friend who work for energy ministry of Iran. he says EFOM a software for thier work is needed but others don't sell it to Iran because USA thing Iran use it to design nukes and uses like that.

"Ok so you see Hizbollah as defenders of a weaker nation against a larger aggressive nation is basically what your saying.
Is this the general consesus in Iran?"
yes to both
see their GDPs and per capita income
larger nation is israel and southern lebonan is smaller nation
Israel have F16 and great navy but Hizboallah only have missile that maybe Iran give them
did you thing about number of nations that have F16 and other advanced equipments that USA gives Israel

 

[PersianBoy]

"Nice to have it from the horses mouth for a change, I presume your new to off topic, if so welcome.

We know the historical situation of the Middle East from the Canaanite and Philistines to the modern day and we know how Palestine was subjugated and cast off it's hereditary lands, we also know how Israel broke a treaty and stole more land after the partition of the country by the UN, for what it's worth I am one of the few impartial voices of reason here, ranting aside Who calls for peace not war, treaty not death, there are a few of us around. If you want to learn a bit more about the history check out the Palestinian threads it's discussed at length, so much so that people got a bit bored of it "
Thank u verey much for ur wellcome
I think I know some thing about palestines history but if I make mistake plz say me the correct and I will apologize u and Others if I made a mistake and promise that try to study more about them espicially from that theard
Thanks a lot for ur help and others

 

[PersianBoy]

"the horses mouth for a change"
what is the meaning of this sentence

 

[boarder]

I presume you meant Beirut or Hezbollah so I changed it.

Thanks i changed it to in case anyone else reads it,

Fine kindly stick to what it is doing, or at least what respectable sources think it is doing, I don't respect speculation based on speculation without a link, I want reality not inference, not what will happened when the US invade because Iran has built seven warheads and fired them all at Haifa. Just the facts please, I'm getting tired of the ardent conspiracy theorists, it's getting a bit lame frankly.

I don't know! You watch a couple of news reports speculating as to Irans involvement and the next thing you know it's all down to George Bush dressed as an Arab paying Hezbolah to kidnap soldiers and to fire on Israel to give Iran a reason to posture, which will then lead to them backing up there claims and the US invading Iran, blah, blah,blah,BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS. You know what I'm talking about, cut it out it's high order nonsense, if you want to play the "I'm the king of conjecture" game, take it to another thread ,where your imaginings can be given the scant regard they deserve by simpletons frothing at the mouth and spilling inane unreasoned unfathomable nonsense about a situation that in all likelihood will never come to pass..

While I would agree that there has been a lot of media talk lately regarding how Hizbollah and Iran are connected, I just don't think that a lot of it is false.
I have posted a lot how Iran and its threats are blowen out of proportion but while supporting them on there, there are way to many links for it to be speculation in regards to Hezbollah and Iran, take the missile that sunk the Israeli ship the other day its a C-802 shore-to-sea missile that is reverse enginered from the chinese silkworm which China sold a lot of a to Iran a few years ago, there is no one else Hezbollah could have gotten this from, its very high technology,the Israeli ship was armed with a Barak anti-missile system which obviously failed. Of course thats just one example.
I have read reports leading back months ago in which 2 UAV's where flowen over Israeli territory from Lebanon, realistically they could only have gotten them from Iran, also reports of Iranian troops being seen a long time ago when Hizbollah fortified there defences along the border.
There is also the money trail of funding, and Hizbollah was founded by Khaemini I believe it was.
I just see way to many links between them to believe it exists.

Which is more reasoned my ranting or their speculation? Close call.

Id say somewhere in between