TIL: Today I Learned

[rah]

Does two or three times count as regularly?

 

[Lohrenswald]

Twice out of the last 5 elections, so yes

 

[Synobun]

Replace Kurds with African Americans and Greece with North Korea and we're talking about the same guy.

Just no. Besides, let's not forget that Trump is in the US, ie a country which has controls against this kind of thing. Erdo is where this kind of thing is what is getting majority appeal for decades.

Gotta side with Kyr on this one. While I completely believe Trump would be on par or worse than Erdogan if he were allowed to be, the US hasn't devolved to that point quite yet (and won't, barring catastrophe).

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Does two or three times count as regularly?

You're only counting Presidential races. Look at the races in Congress. It has been lopsided for a decade now. Every election the Democrats pull in millions of more votes and still lose seats.

 

[Takhisis]

barring catastrophe

Do you mean the stolen lifetime nomination of a SCOTUS justice and the four-year presidency of Russian agent Donald J. Trump is not a catastrophe?

 

[Synobun]

Do you mean the stolen lifetime nomination of a SCOTUS justice and the four-year presidency of Russian agent Donald J. Trump is not a catastrophe?

On the scale of ethnic cleansing, no I don't think it is.

 

[Takhisis]

Oh, his policies will have a similarly devastating effect, distributed unevenly across his country and others. It's just harder to see than a Pol Pot-style ‘kill me twenty thousand by tomorrow morning’ thing.

 

[Kyriakos]

Oh, his policies will have a similarly devastating effect, distributed unevenly across his country and others. It's just harder to see than a Pol Pot-style ‘kill me twenty thousand by tomorrow morning’ thing.

I think it is interesting that people don't want to stay at the logical "Trump is a half-demented clown", but wish to go on to argue that he is causing more deaths than previous US presidents who actually declared massive wars that have a gigantic death toll.
How does any "Trump death-toll" compare to Iraq (let alone the legacy of Iraq), for example?

Of course he may still cause a new war. From what is seen, though, it seems unlikely that he is more of a warmonger than the typical US president.

 

[sophie]

I think it is interesting that people don't want to stay at the logical "Trump is a half-demented clown", but wish to go on to argue that he is causing more deaths than previous US presidents who actually declared massive wars that have a gigantic death toll.
How does any "Trump death-toll" compare to Iraq (let alone the legacy of Iraq), for example?

His bombings have been deadlier and occurring with more frequency than those under Obama. He killed more civilians in the first 7 months of his administration than did Obama in eight years. Let's also not forget the literal concentrations camps.

 

[Kyriakos]

His bombings have been deadlier and occurring with more frequency than those under Obama. He killed more civilians in the first 7 months of his administration than did Obama in eight years. Let's also not forget the literal concentrations camps.

I am not aware of that. If true, indeed this is more scum-behavior and negates a good part of my post. My point is that it seems to me that people are not content with calling a jerk/half-demented/low-level human being as just that, but want to claim that he is at least as bad as presidents who started mass war which lead to all hell breaking loose. Of course it's not that Trump isn't trying - unwittingly or not. Eg his Israel policy of identifying Jerusalem as the israeli capital; but that seems to be very popular with democrats too, so...

 

[Lexicus]

On the scale of ethnic cleansing, no I don't think it is.

Did you not notice that Trump is actually carrying out ethnic cleansing, or...?

I am not aware of that.

I'm pretty sure you've had this exact discussion with someone else not very long ago.
It is true:
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvn8v/more-bombs-more-boots-more-casualties

 

[rah]

You're only counting Presidential races. Look at the races in Congress. It has been lopsided for a decade now. Every election the Democrats pull in millions of more votes and still lose seats.

IF you look by state, there are only a handful of states that had more than 5 millions votes in the 2016 presidential race (usually more voters than midterms) Senate races aren't gerrymandered by definition and even counting for gerrymandering in congressional districts by state there just aren't enough voters for it to be MILLIONS. I'm not saying it's not a problem but your statement was an exaggeration which I was just putting into perspective.
So Yeah, I'm standing by my original statement.

 

[Yeekim]

Did you not notice that Trump is actually carrying out ethnic cleansing, or...?

Maybe you should cry wolf a little less.

 

[Farm Boy]

Cope joints are ebil.

 

[Synobun]

Did you not notice that Trump is actually carrying out ethnic cleansing, or...?

He isn't. Terrible dude. He would if he could. But he can't, yet.

 

[Lexicus]

He isn't. Terrible dude. He would if he could. But he can't, yet.

His immigration policy constitutes ethnic cleansing.

 

[Synobun]

Low bar. What do we call it when he starts actually killing them? Super ethnic cleansing? Ultra-mega?

 

[Lexicus]

Low bar. What do we call it when he starts actually killing them? Super ethnic cleansing? Ultra-mega?

Genocide. I'm not sure where you heard that ethnic cleansing has to involve killing, but forced mass-resettlement of people because of the color of their skin/language they speak is practically the definition of ethnic cleansing.

 

[Ryika]

forced mass-resettlement of people because of the color of their skin/language they speak is practically the definition of ethnic cleansing

Trump isn't doing that.

 

[Mouthwash]

Eg his Israel policy of identifying Jerusalem as the israeli capital; but that seems to be very popular with democrats too, so...

Because the Palestinians are such an important party to please?