Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

Should the UK get rid of the Monarchy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 42.3%
  • No

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Radioactive monkeys should rule all countries

    Votes: 19 24.4%

  • Total voters
    78
I cannot speak for the USA

Well Fox news is owned by Murdoch. Murdoch is an Australian, so is therefore part of the Commonwealth, which most likely means London banks must have some kind of connection with Australian banks (although I'm not exactly sure where the connection would be, I just have a gut feeling that there probably is). So like I guess if Murdoch is in a lot of debt he might be answerable to the agenda of whoever owns his debt.

Therefore Fox's constant coverage of the Queen's death leads to it's American competitors to mimick in order to siphon off viewership for fear that Fox might understand what people want to see more. The end result is now all American media is covering the royal family like every day, and it's getting annoying.

I am not sure they want a strong monarch; they have been known to raid barons/commerce.

Then who is really powerful and shadowy in England who would want a strong monarchy?

The monarchy itself? Some secret society? A mysterious guild which can trace it's roots to the middle ages? A resurrected East India Co? A white power group that has members of the media and parliament as secret members?

I choose the banks, because the monarchy was totally fine with Margaret Thatcher back in the day. Besides finance is the only really powerful thing that I believe exists in the modern world.
 
Sounds like your dad was simply unlucky in getting his story straight to the authorities. Could have been overly suspicious authorities as well.



Which most would chalk up to "dying of old age".
What "story"? :huh:

He found her on the floor in her bedroom. I know that because I was in the living room when he found her. It was first thing in the morning and he was the first to check on her. I'd been up all night, dealing with a gall bladder attack and was really not in any mental state to be aware of anything else going on, since I was in a hell of a lot of pain.

I have never actually had a positive interaction with the cops. They've always been jerks in some respect, either not taking things seriously (stalkers and people trying to push their way into my apartment are serious, dammit, and they had NO business speculating about the cause of death with my grandmother; it took an autopsy to figure out what actually killed her and it was absolutely nothing anyone could have prevented). Of all the people traipsing in and out of the house that day, the only one who offered anything like condolences was the coroner. Oh, and the neighbor's cat, who came over and crawled into my lap when he saw how upset I was.


As for the Queen and my speculations, you do realize that people can die of a heart attack or stroke without being elderly, right?
 
You can have as many days of mourning as you like.

It is really up to you.

If one doesn't like the pomp and pageantry, one
can just ignore it and carry on with what you enjoy.
In the USA we don't even get election day off.
 
Which is precisely why the powers that be (the London financial district and banks, which also explains why our own media here in the states care so much) are trying to make such a big deal out of her death. Bring Harry and William closer together, strengthen the family, and eventually push to have the royals take on a more political role within the nation (a return to Victoria's level of authority), to save the powerful London financial sector from getting dumped on due to an inept Parliament during a time of unprecedented economic woes.

Isn't it the opposite of Charles' speculated plans for his reign?

Media in Israel emphasised how Charles is expected to take the Monarchy to a less glamorous image, in order to reduce anti-monarchy sentiments.

Being more involved in politics doesn't seem to go along with it, am I right?

(Although after hearing about the new governments' anti-environmental views, I'd prefer him as an absolute tyrant over them).
 
As for the Queen and my speculations, you do realize that people can die of a heart attack or stroke without being elderly, right?

Yes, but the Queen was elderly therefore my argument still stands.

Unless she was outright murdered by Charles because he's desperate to seize the throne.
 
Yes, but the Queen was elderly therefore my argument still stands.

Unless she was outright murdered by Charles because he's desperate to seize the throne.
…has there been an autopsy?
For what? All you have left is crappy politicians like Boris and Truss.
And the monarchy stops them from inflicting their crappiness on others how?
as popular saying goes "A British monarch reigns, but does not rule"
See: Royal consent (not the same as royal assent)
Royal prerogative
orders in council
 
Wasn't the lockdown supposed to be something that the conservative party opposed because of the economic damage? Or is public health worth less than compulsory mourning?

Food banks closed, funerals postponed, cancer scans cancelled – ‘national mourning’ is getting out of hand
Even those who deeply mourn the loss of the Queen can surely see the hypocrisy and irony of the situation
By Nadeine Asbali

Spoiler :
Sometimes it feels like Britain is a parody of itself. Almost too ironic, too ridiculous to quite be real, like we’re all stuck inside some particularly grey version of The Matrix where the aim is to restore us back to Victorian levels of suffering and misery. It has certainly felt this way since the Queen passed away last week.

Of course, the death of a head of state, particularly one who served for seven decades, is always going to induce an outpouring of grief. Whether or not you are a fan of the concept of monarchy, the Queen was a constant in British life throughout most of our living memories.

For those who are fans of the sort of leadership that is unelected and very much elite, this is going to be a particularly sorrowful time – perhaps a time to wear black, to lay some flowers or say a prayer. I expected the back-to-back coverage on all major television channels, the documentaries about her life and the live-stream of Buckingham Palace – after all, we saw the same after the death of Prince Philip last year.

What I didn’t expect was for mourning to become a sort of pervasive catch-all excuse that obscures our economic and political realities and infiltrates all aspects of our lives, to the detriment of the poorest and most disadvantaged.

In the name of national mourning, things have become a little odd and, frankly, preposterous. A few days ago, it emerged that the volume on checkout beeps had been turned down in Morrisons stores as a sign of respect for the Queen – and that customers were struggling to scan their shopping as a result. In Norwich, a cyclist posted a photo to Twitter showing that a city centre bike rack had been closed for two weeks of national mourning – and that any bikes attached to it would be removed.

Random and innocuous events like children’s football tournaments and duck races with little discernible link to the royal family were cancelled up and down the country and brands capitalised on the national grief by introducing peculiar initiatives out of respect for the Queen. The Met Office even cut back on its announcements – as though the weather too had paused for national mourning.

But things haven’t just been bizarre in the past week. They’ve now reached the point of becoming genuinely troubling, with downright dangerous and long-lasting consequences for those already struggling up and down the country.

First are the grave implications on our democratic right to hold those in power to account. Petitions on the government website have been suspended, limiting the public’s ability to use their voices to enact change. Following the horrific killing of an unarmed Black man, Chris Kaba, at the hands of a police officer, the new Met Police commissioner refused to face media scrutiny due to national mourning. How convenient.

And in a further dystopian twist, citizens exercising their democratic right to protest have been arrested or harassed by authorities for crimes constituting nothing more than holding a sign saying “Not my King” or calling Prince Andrew a “sick old man”. Under the catch-all excuses of respect and decorum, even lukewarm anti-monarchy sentiments are no longer acceptable in this nation of hollow platitudes, it seems.

Having said all this, I could abide silent supermarkets and cancelled sports events – even the shady timing of the government’s recess could be excused given the Conservatives’ track record of offering little support to those who most need it anyway – but what justifiable reason is there to cancel medical appointments on the day of the Queen’s funeral?

Yes, it’s because it’s a bank holiday that these vital services are shutting down, but it feels nigh-on impossible to justify closing food banks, cancelling children’s cardiology appointments or delaying MRI results.

Why is it that other grieving families whose funerals were planned for Monday need to reschedule laying their loved ones to rest, simply because the Queen happened to pass away at a similar time? Even those who deeply mourn the loss of the Queen can surely see the hypocrisy and irony of the situation. We could have surely held the funeral on Sunday instead – and planned a bank holiday of remembrance at a later date.

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As is often the case, the brunt of these dangerous and insulting decisions will be felt most by those who are already experiencing the harsh reality of life during a cost of living crisis. The thing is, poverty doesn’t take a bank holiday. Not even for the Queen’s death.

As mourners pile up marmalade sandwiches outside a palace filled with gold and jewels, families struggling to feed their children will wonder how to cope when their local food bank is closed in the name of national mourning. Those who have already faced increased waits for hospital appointments will now have potentially critical medical care pushed back. with potentially life-threatening consequences – especially for those with disabilities and chronic conditions.

And for the particularly sour cherry on the already inedible, stomach-turning cake that has become our nation, it is estimated that millions will be spent on the Queen’s funeral – at a time when markers of child poverty have risen by as much as 14 per cent in some parts of the country in the last 18 months, and households across Britain face energy bills that will plunge them into debt and destitution.

The passing of a soul is a sad thing, but this death of a billionaire monarch steeped in inherited privilege will be felt most by the communities already facing manifold disadvantages, and I would hope that the sheer irony of that is enough to turn the stomachs of even the most ardent royalists.
 
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And the bag drop route is for… do the portaloos come in a pee-only configuration?
 
@Aiken_Drumn that is quite a route for the line. Is it already filling up?
 
A professional footballer explains why it was right not to do a minute's silence for the queen during Indigenous round and more broadly why expecting Indigenous people to celebrate and show deference to the queen and monarchy is so wrong. Probably about as good an explanation as I've heard from a prominent white Australian on this topic.


Meanwhile, in the other football, an Indigenous woman punished in her workplace with a huge fine and a ban for a disparaging social media post, days after the same league decided a guy can play finals and serve his suspension next year after being convicted of assault.

 
Yes, but the Queen was elderly therefore my argument still stands.

Unless she was outright murdered by Charles because he's desperate to seize the throne.
Your argument is illogical. No, it does not stand.

Your second sentence disgusts me.
 
Wasn't the lockdown supposed to be something that the conservative party opposed because of the economic damage? Or is public health worth less than compulsory mourning?

Mourning is not compulsory.

By the way, I was not in favour of the additional bank holiday.

Having already had an extra bank holiday for the platinum jubilee this year; another one seems excessive.

In my opinion, the funeral ought to have been scheduled for a Sunday.
 
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