Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

Should the UK get rid of the Monarchy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 42.3%
  • No

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Radioactive monkeys should rule all countries

    Votes: 19 24.4%

  • Total voters
    78
Both sides have become increasingly radical.

The capital is Washington. Washington is in DC. Washington is not in Washington.

Let me draw you a map:
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Come on, he obviously knew that Washington DC is different from that state in the border with Canada. Is this really needed? :)
Evidently it really is needed. Though Alaska and Hawaii are in weird places. I wonder if fewer Americans would be as geographically challenged if they used maps that show Alaska and Hawaii where they really are.

Mind you, it's not only Americans. There's a game series called Vacation Adventures: Park Ranger that's ostensibly set in a fictional national park in the state of Washington, but I nearly fell off my chair when I saw one particular scene... of an island in a lake that's one of the most iconic scenes in the CANADIAN Rockies (Spirit Island in Maligne Lake, in Jasper National Park, in my province). This place is nowhere near Washington state. I guess the game devs figured nobody would ever know the difference.

What leftist 20 years ago advocated that every single rich country had to become a multicultural immigration nation?
Multiculturalism has been basic policy in Canada since Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister in the 1970s.

I noticed the list of places you've traveled doesn't include anywhere in Canada. Due to your abhorrence of multiculturalism and equality, you should probably keep it that way. You wouldn't like our country, since we accept people from everywhere and have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms that means minorities are protected.

I've actually never watched Fox News.

Essentially, many on the left have rejected religion, but they have a new surrogate religion, "equality".
Equality is not a "religion." It should be a basic human right. I have to wonder if your tune would change if you should become one of the minority demographics.

And I don't want to get in trouble for my views, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
There are a few threads in OT you might learn from if you plan on staying around OT for awhile. I'm reminded of a former forum member who tossed out a lot of extreme conservative ideas, not even remotely realizing that some of the people he was preaching against either were, or could be, fellow forum members who would not appreciate his stance.

But I don't like radical changes. The world was mostly okay 100 years ago. Yes, there is some nice new technology I wouldn't want to forsake, and I'm glad that women can vote now (although all of the feminist stuff after that, I would rather do without). I never saw what was so bad about words like "stewardess", nor would I marry a woman who refused to take my surname. And while I am opposed to frivolous wars, fighting against communism is never not worth it.
So your health is perfect, then? You use no medical technology that was developed during the last 100 years? I know I'm grateful for what's been developed since then. It's why I'm even alive now.

So you don't mind if women can vote, as long as they're barefoot and pregnant and cooking and cleaning the rest of the time? I'd summon MaryKB to the conversation, but the thread would really blow up if she were to see it and felt like posting. I'm a rank amateur by comparison when it comes to expressing feminism.

I have nothing against LGB teachers, or even LGB teachers displaying pictures of their families, talking about their spouses, etc...I don't think that kink/fetish stuff belongs in schools though, and drag is a fetish practice.
Does 2 + 2 equal something else if a transgender person teaches math? It's really depressing how this post of yours could have been written by the average prejudiced UCP supporter in my province. They have such odd ideas about what goes on in public schools, yet excuse the abuses that happen in faith-based schools.

Aaaahhh, I get it now. Transgender people don't exist.
That's odd. I could have sworn I saw at least two posting earlier today, here and there on various of the forums I belong to.

You hold that men and women are not interchangeable. Why should Elizabeth II have taken the throne at all instead of whichever male cousin was the nearest kin to the king in 1952?
That's not how the line of succession worked in 1952. Hopefully the days are long-gone when the British people have a conniption fit over the idea of a woman being Queen in her own right.

That is no longer the case, had Princess Charlotte been born before Prince George, she would have been William's heir, not him. If Prince George's first child is female, she will be his heir, not her younger brothers, if she has any. It's Her Majesty's influence...showing how great a Queen can be, that led to these changes.
Modern sensibilities of gender equality could have had a tiny bit to do with it. I don't think the public would have accepted a younger son being the heir over an older daughter. Not anymore.
 
I don't see the connection between retentionist monarchists and veld-dwelling Calvinists.
Both are hated by "decolonization" activists.
So now that this is settled, can we move on? Because it feels like any further engagement with you on this subject will be argument by assertion.
OK, then.
Well, Francisco Franco is still dead.
No fondness for Austerity Britain? Certainly existed before "woke stuff" became popular.
(Though I must say I'm curious as to what "woke stuff" is.)
Regardless, the European colonial project has many brutal events in its history. Geocide of the Herero, British concentration camps in Kenya during the Mau Mau uprising, and the particularly well known horror of the Belgian Congo; a situation that horrified even dyed in the wool colonialists.
The Mau Mau Revolt led to harsh tactics, as a response to an unlawful revolt against the authorities.
Leopold was stripped of the Congo when the atrocities there came to light.
I've heard many things, but I never thought I would hear Robert Mugabe, Yoweri Museveni, Jawaharlal Nehru, Moshe Dayan, Chaim Herzog, or Paul Kagame described as 'proto-woke'.
(Heck, even Maggie Thatcher rejected the idea of Rhodesian independence and insisted on local majority rule.)
Thatcher was never even half the leader Smith was.
Being ultra-reactionary is something not to be proud of.
It's better than being a leftist.
Multiculturalism has been basic policy in Canada since Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister in the 1970s.
The rotten apple never falls far from the tree...
I noticed the list of places you've traveled doesn't include anywhere in Canada. Due to your abhorrence of multiculturalism and equality, you should probably keep it that way. You wouldn't like our country, since we accept people from everywhere and have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms that means minorities are protected.
If I were to move to a foreign country, it would most likely be Australia, but possibly the UK or Ireland. Not Canada. I do not wish to become a subject of Justin Trudeau.
Equality is not a "religion." It should be a basic human right. I have to wonder if your tune would change if you should become one of the minority demographics.
White minorities never get the same protections other minorities do...in South Africa, Whites are a legally disfavored group, despite being less than 10% of the population (down from about 25% at our peak).
So why should I support this "basic human right", if no matter what status my demographic holds, it's always weaponized against us.
There are a few threads in OT you might learn from if you plan on staying around OT for awhile. I'm reminded of a former forum member who tossed out a lot of extreme conservative ideas, not even remotely realizing that some of the people he was preaching against either were, or could be, fellow forum members who would not appreciate his stance.
And you think I appreciate the stance of leftists on this forum? No, but I can grudgingly tolerate their views.
So your health is perfect, then? You use no medical technology that was developed during the last 100 years? I know I'm grateful for what's been developed since then. It's why I'm even alive now.
Things are getting better. Well, not as good as yesterday, but twice as good as tomorrow!
So you don't mind if women can vote, as long as they're barefoot and pregnant and cooking and cleaning the rest of the time? I'd summon MaryKB to the conversation, but the thread would really blow up if she were to see it and felt like posting. I'm a rank amateur by comparison when it comes to expressing feminism.
Well, seeing as men cannot get pregnant, and a society needs each woman to have 2-3 babies at least to sustain and replenish itself, the good of the society comes ahead of any individual's career goals.
Does 2 + 2 equal something else if a transgender person teaches math? It's really depressing how this post of yours could have been written by the average prejudiced UCP supporter in my province. They have such odd ideas about what goes on in public schools, yet excuse the abuses that happen in faith-based schools.
Children should not be taught to look up to those who espouse such lifestyles as authority figures. I would say the same thing about someone who has appeared nude in a magazine or on the internet...they may be able to teach facts, but their lifestyle makes them a bad role model for children. I'm completely fine with gay and bisexual teachers, though.
That's odd. I could have sworn I saw at least two posting earlier today, here and there on various of the forums I belong to.
People who desire to be the opposite sex exist, but they are not actually members of the opposite sex.
That's not how the line of succession worked in 1952. Hopefully the days are long-gone when the British people have a conniption fit over the idea of a woman being Queen in her own right.
Have you heard of Queen Victoria?
Modern sensibilities of gender equality could have had a tiny bit to do with it. I don't think the public would have accepted a younger son being the heir over an older daughter. Not anymore.
You will notice that the Queen still managed to have 4 children, 2 of whom were born during her reign. The main problem is when women prioritize a career over a family, thus leaving society with too few children to sustain itself. Have at least 2, preferably 3 or more children, and then you can go be a wage-slave to some corporation to your heart's content.
 
If I were to move to a foreign country, it would most likely be Australia, but possibly the UK or Ireland. Not Canada. I do not wish to become a subject of Justin Trudeau.

For someone so proud of the British monarchy, it seems odd that you have forgotten that you are not a subject of the prime minister in any of the fifteen countries where the monarch is head of state.

I may be subject to Liz Truss' policies against my will, but I will never be her subject.
 
It's better than being a leftist.
Do you check under the bed each night in case one might be hiding there?

The rotten apple never falls far from the tree...
:rolleyes:

If I were to move to a foreign country, it would most likely be Australia, but possibly the UK or Ireland. Not Canada. I do not wish to become a subject of Justin Trudeau.
:lmao:

:rotfl:

:lol:

You realize that Justin Trudeau isn't royalty, right? He's the current Prime Minister and the MP for the federal riding of Papineau, and the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, but that's it. All of that can be taken from him the moment he's either pushed out of the leadership or resigns, or loses the next election - whichever comes first. There's open speculation that he may well resign before the next election (which will be in 2025, assuming one isn't called or triggered by a non-confidence vote in the meantime), and people are generally not opposed to the idea that Chrystia Freeland might become the next leader.

White minorities never get the same protections other minorities do...in South Africa, Whites are a legally disfavored group, despite being less than 10% of the population (down from about 25% at our peak).
So why should I support this "basic human right", if no matter what status my demographic holds, it's always weaponized against us.
Given the history of South Africa, were you expecting roses?

And you think I appreciate the stance of leftists on this forum? No, but I can grudgingly tolerate their views.
Oh, how GRACIOUS and TOLERANT of you! :huh:

Let me express my humble appreciation for your magnanimity!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I'm just sorry that the forum doesn't have a smiley that curtseys, though I know a site where there was one... you probably wouldn't like it, though, as it was owned by a Russian smiley artist.

By this point I'm wondering if you took much time to check out the general culture of this place - OT, at least - before joining. Still, I suppose it could have been worse. You could have tried this at TrekBBS and gotten really told off. Even in the no-holds-barred area of that site, sexism and anti-LGBT comments are not tolerated.

Things are getting better. Well, not as good as yesterday, but twice as good as tomorrow!
Be grateful. I can see instead of being blind, due to technology that was spun off of the space program (laser surgery). I'm alive due to the discovery and increasingly efficient ways of providing insulin to diabetics.

You realize that without the invention of communication satellites and the means to place them in orbit, none of us would be here, having this argumentconversation, right?

Well, seeing as men cannot get pregnant, and a society needs each woman to have 2-3 babies at least to sustain and replenish itself, the good of the society comes ahead of any individual's career goals.
Welcome to Gilead! :rolleyes: Do you see yourself as a Commander, Eye, Angel, Guardian, or Econo worker? You realize that only the best/most powerful Commanders get Handmaids, right?

Children should not be taught to look up to those who espouse such lifestyles as authority figures. I would say the same thing about someone who has appeared nude in a magazine or on the internet...they may be able to teach facts, but their lifestyle makes them a bad role model for children. I'm completely fine with gay and bisexual teachers, though.
I don't understand what their sexual orientation has to do with teaching school. I guess you missed the memo that sexual orientation is biology, not "lifestyle", though I guess lifestyle comes into it if they decide to date or marry. My housekeeping helper is lesbian and married to a woman. But then Canada legalized same-sex marriage over 15 years ago. Those who ranted and wailed that it would be the downfall of society and was "disrespectful" to heterosexual marriage have been shown to be people who just like to rant and wail about things they don't like. I certainly never noticed married heterosexual people suddenly having their marriages invalidated or their children being listed as born out of wedlock.

Have you heard of Queen Victoria?
Yes, of course I have. My own grandmother was partially named after her (one of her middle names). That was my great-grandparents' way of honoring their move to Canada from Sweden, pre-WWI.

What's your point? She was pre-Elizabeth II.

You will notice that the Queen still managed to have 4 children, 2 of whom were born during her reign. The main problem is when women prioritize a career over a family, thus leaving society with too few children to sustain itself. Have at least 2, preferably 3 or more children, and then you can go be a wage-slave to some corporation to your heart's content.
British monarchs dating back centuries have been expected to produce "an heir and a spare." Henry VIII went through 6 wives trying to do that and still only managed two girls and a boy, none of whom reproduced. Jane Grey might have, if Mary hadn't had her executed. Edward's will did state that he wanted the crown to pass to Jane "and her heirs, male" (you and Edward would have gotten along great - he figured women should just shut up and be baby factories, too).
 
For someone so proud of the British monarchy, it seems odd that you have forgotten that you are not a subject of the prime minister in any of the fifteen countries where the monarch is head of state.

I may be subject to Liz Truss' policies against my will, but I will never be her subject.
Trudeau sees the ordinary Canadian folk as his subjects, but he is not royal, he is not politically neutral, he is not a unifying figure.
Do you check under the bed each night in case one might be hiding there?
No. Nobody gets into my house without my knowledge and permission.
Oh, look! I can use emojis too!
:) :D ;) :P
You realize that Justin Trudeau isn't royalty, right? He's the current Prime Minister and the MP for the federal riding of Papineau, and the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, but that's it. All of that can be taken from him the moment he's either pushed out of the leadership or resigns, or loses the next election - whichever comes first. There's open speculation that he may well resign before the next election (which will be in 2025, assuming one isn't called or triggered by a non-confidence vote in the meantime), and people are generally not opposed to the idea that Chrystia Freeland might become the next leader.
He's a dynastic political figure, either way. King Charles's mother was Queen, Comrade Trudeau's father was PM.
Given the history of South Africa, were you expecting roses?
If European-origin minorities in Africa are treated poorly, I'm not sure why African-origin minorities in Europe should except the red carpet to be rolled out to welcome them.
Oh, how GRACIOUS and TOLERANT of you! :huh:

Let me express my humble appreciation for your magnanimity!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I'm just sorry that the forum doesn't have a smiley that curtseys, though I know a site where there was one... you probably wouldn't like it, though, as it was owned by a Russian smiley artist.
I have nothing against the Russian people, I despise the USSR (because it was communist, and it worked to undermine South Africa), loathe Putin (for invading Ukraine), but I have a lot of respect for the Romanoff tsars, and for Russians as an ethnic group.
By this point I'm wondering if you took much time to check out the general culture of this place - OT, at least - before joining. Still, I suppose it could have been worse. You could have tried this at TrekBBS and gotten really told off. Even in the no-holds-barred area of that site, sexism and anti-LGBT comments are not tolerated.
I'm guessing that TrekBBS has nothing to do with the Great Trek, but is instead about that strange television show called Star Trek. I have no interest in Star Trek, the Great Trek was far more impressive.
I never made any anti-LGB comment.
Be grateful. I can see instead of being blind, due to technology that was spun off of the space program (laser surgery). I'm alive due to the discovery and increasingly efficient ways of providing insulin to diabetics.
Yes, we have better medicine (mostly), but does that really make up for the social, cultural, and demographic decay of the West?
You realize that without the invention of communication satellites and the means to place them in orbit, none of us would be here, having this argumentconversation, right?
Without the Internet, there would likely be far fewer radicalized leftists.
Welcome to Gilead! :rolleyes: Do you see yourself as a Commander, Eye, Angel, Guardian, or Econo worker? You realize that only the best/most powerful Commanders get Handmaids, right?
I'd rather live under Gilead than live under Malema.
I don't understand what their sexual orientation has to do with teaching school. I guess you missed the memo that sexual orientation is biology, not "lifestyle", though I guess lifestyle comes into it if they decide to date or marry. My housekeeping helper is lesbian and married to a woman. But then Canada legalized same-sex marriage over 15 years ago. Those who ranted and wailed that it would be the downfall of society and was "disrespectful" to heterosexual marriage have been shown to be people who just like to rant and wail about things they don't like. I certainly never noticed married heterosexual people suddenly having their marriages invalidated or their children being listed as born out of wedlock.
I already said that I have nothing against LGB people. I vociferously disagree with gender and pronoun ideology, though.
Yes, of course I have. My own grandmother was partially named after her (one of her middle names). That was my great-grandparents' way of honoring their move to Canada from Sweden, pre-WWI.

What's your point? She was pre-Elizabeth II.
The point is that women could be heads of state even in the 19th century...so much for the historical sexism theory you espouse.
British monarchs dating back centuries have been expected to produce "an heir and a spare." Henry VIII went through 6 wives trying to do that and still only managed two girls and a boy, none of whom reproduced. Jane Grey might have, if Mary hadn't had her executed. Edward's will did state that he wanted the crown to pass to Jane "and her heirs, male" (you and Edward would have gotten along great - he figured women should just shut up and be baby factories, too).
I'm glad that the Queen did the stuff she did - I don't want women to all shut up and stay out of public life.

What I am opposed to is
1. Women prioritizing a career over having at least 2 children (falling below replacement fertility has all kinds of negative effects for society)
2. People of either gender promoting left-wing beliefs, including radical feminism

Even if only 5% of men reproduced, you could still have a stable population. The same is not true of women.
 
All these long nested quotes are a real waste of postcount.
 
oh-kay are people now united against anti-woke lot ? More fighting in Ukraine , mors reporting in the forums and all that ...
 
Given the arguments returning. I feel that a new thread is needed since were really drifting off topic.
It's better than being a leftist.
And what is wrong with being a leftist? I can understand being apprehensive towards authoritarian leftists like Tankies and Maoists.

If I were to move to a foreign country, it would most likely be Australia, but possibly the UK or Ireland. Not Canada. I do not wish to become a subject of Justin Trudeau.
If you move to Canada, you’re not a subject to the Prime Minister. He’s still held to accountability by his constituents and citizens. If he’s a member of parliament in your district, you have the freedom to vote his opponent.
White minorities never get the same protections other minorities do...So why should I support this "basic human right", if no matter what status my demographic holds, it's always weaponized against us.
This sounds to me like the “Little Timmy Problem” with concerns that Timmy, who is white, would be bullied and maligned by a black majority in his school.

If people from across the political spectrum are becoming more accepting of diversity, then it follows that racial animosity will subside over time. When you foster an environment of understanding and compassion.

And you think I appreciate the stance of leftists on this forum? No, but I can grudgingly tolerate their views.
You have lots to learn being on this section of the forum. As it stands, you eather keep the views to yourself or adapt and change. Otherwise you’d end up becoming a social pariah.
Children should not be taught to look up to those who espouse such lifestyles as authority figures. I would say the same thing about someone who has appeared nude in a magazine or on the internet...they may be able to teach facts, but their lifestyle makes them a bad role model for children. I'm completely fine with gay and bisexual teachers, though.
But you’re against a transgender teacher teaching physics? Even if they’re not leftist and aren’t pushing what you would call “transgenderism”? I recall a time when people were not fine with gay, lesbian, and bisexual teachers and it’s just a rehashing of the same talking points.
People who desire to be the opposite sex exist, but they are not actually members of the opposite sex.
In a sociological frame, trans women are women.

Have you heard of Queen Victoria?
Have you heard of Queen Elizabeth I?

Do you check under the bed each night in case one might be hiding there?
I think he checks in the closet and the backyard to find any leftists hiding.

Trudeau sees the ordinary Canadian folk as his subjects, but he is not royal, he is not politically neutral, he is not a unifying figure.
I don’t know much about the Westminster Parliamentary System. But Trudeau is still held accountable by the Canadian voters and can have a vote of no confidence be brought to him or voted out of office since he’s still a member of parliament and can be voted out of office (If anyone can chime in, I’d appreciate it since I’d like to learn more about the Westminster System and how it’s different from the US’s Presidential System).
If European-origin minorities in Africa are treated poorly, I'm not sure why African-origin minorities in Europe should except the red carpet to be rolled out to welcome them.
Why should immigrants be accountable for the sins of their fathers?
I never made any anti-LGB comments
Bolded is an example of a minor anti-LGBT comment. You are omitting transgender people by essentially dropping the T. I can comb through this thread and point out each time you mention “LGB”. I highly doubt that you’re a TERF since you’d be against all waves of feminism as well.
Yes, we have better medicine (mostly), but does that really make up for the social, cultural, and demographic decay of the West?
Society is not going through a state of degeneracy. Stop listening to Tucker Carlson.
I already said that I have nothing against LGB people. I vociferously disagree with gender and pronoun ideology, though.
“I’m not against lesbians, gays, and bis, but….”

Pronoun ideology? Dude, the majority of the Internet and the world isn't Tumblir! I don’t have strangers walking up to me demanding me to call the person xi/xir.

What I am opposed to is
1. Women prioritizing a career over having at least 2 children (falling below replacement fertility has all kinds of negative effects for society)
So you’re in favor of Kinder, Küche, Kirche? Are you against a two income household? Because that’s relatively common to have both parents working. Is there a reason why you want household to have at least two children? Do you include interracial couples into the equation?

Uncle Paul said:
2. People of either gender promoting left-wing beliefs, including radical feminism

The only thing negative thing about feminism are sequestered to the radical misandrist faction. As I recall, feminism does want to bring forth equality to both sexes. That includes the freedom to choose to be either be a housewife or have a career and a family.
 
Moderator Action: Anyway... this thread is indeed getting wildly off-topic. Let's try to keep focused on monarchies, rather than getting sidetracked by discussing people's spicy opinions.
 
One last thing: equality is part of many religions including Christianity and Islam, two of the largest religions in the world. To embrace equality is to be religious.
 
Trudeau sees the ordinary Canadian folk as his subjects, but he is not royal, he is not politically neutral, he is not a unifying figure.
It's funny about whether or not PMs are a unifying figure. Trudeau's detractors are very quick to wail that he "embarrassed ALL Canadians" whenever he says or does something they disapprove of, like singing a couple of days before the Queen's funeral.

Such detractors can speak for themselves. They do not speak for me. The singing in question happened two days before the funeral, was not at an official function, and was during the PM's downtime. And as singing Prime Ministers go, he's a hell of a lot better at it than Stephen Harper (don't get me started on Harper or the thread will be well and truly hijacked). So no, I was not embarrassed.

As for politically neutral... hello, the PM is the leader of a political party. Of course they favor that party. The good PMs don't let that get to the point where they pass laws that blatantly favor their own party/the general demographic that makes up their party. That's why my own province is in such a mess - the United Corruption Party is pretty open about how much contempt they have for people who are not like them.

No. Nobody gets into my house without my knowledge and permission.
Are you sure about that? :lol: I have a rule in my home: Nobody with more than 4 legs is welcome. I spent most of the summer killing insects that sneaked in without my permission.

He's a dynastic political figure, either way. King Charles's mother was Queen, Comrade Trudeau's father was PM.
Political dynasties aren't the same as royal dynasties. Justin Trudeau's original profession was teaching math, science, and French in a school in British Columbia. His detractors dismiss him as a "part-time drama teacher" but my understanding is that drama at that school was an extracurricular activity, not a regular subject. I could be wrong about that - but even so, the arts are important to students having a well-rounded education.

Justin mentioned floating the idea of going into politics while Pierre was still alive, saying they discussed it. I don't recall the rest of the article, but the fact is that nobody really speculated about it until they witnessed Justin giving the eulogy at his father's funeral. As it turned out, he did go into politics - first running for a seat and winning it, spending time in the backbenches (never had a shadow cabinet position), then running for party leader and winning, and then winning the election of 2015 (it was refreshing to have a PM who didn't have to cheat to win, as Harper did). It's been a rocky time over the past 7 years, and it would be great if his detractors just stopped the childish nonsense. Criticize him on what he's done or failed to do, not on his hair, socks, or who his father was. Pierre Trudeau is dead and has been for close to 22 years. Just give it a rest already.

If European-origin minorities in Africa are treated poorly, I'm not sure why African-origin minorities in Europe should except the red carpet to be rolled out to welcome them.
Here's a hint in case you missed it: Who STARTED the racial violence when Europeans first encountered the people of the region of South Africa (I'm sure that part of the world originally had different borders and a different name)?

I have nothing against the Russian people, I despise the USSR (because it was communist, and it worked to undermine South Africa), loathe Putin (for invading Ukraine), but I have a lot of respect for the Romanoff tsars, and for Russians as an ethnic group.
Okay.

I'm guessing that TrekBBS has nothing to do with the Great Trek, but is instead about that strange television show called Star Trek. I have no interest in Star Trek, the Great Trek was far more impressive.
Yeah, I realize you wouldn't like a TV show that focuses partly on pointing out that people all over have the same basic wants and needs, both physical and social, and that respect for sentience is important no matter what a lifeform's exterior looks like. I'm reminded of trying to explain IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination), a Vulcan philosophy of tolerance and respect of all lifeforms, to my Mormon Ed. Psych instructor in college (he said it sounded "chaotic" and the actual point whooshed right over his head).

I never made any anti-LGB comment.
You made several cracks about "lifestyle" and you've consistently pretended that transgender people don't exist. So please don't deny what we all saw you post.

Yes, we have better medicine (mostly), but does that really make up for the social, cultural, and demographic decay of the West?
So you'd rather people die from diseases and conditions that could be cured or at least alleviated? I wonder how different history might have been if people had understood that prayer doesn't cure pandemics or plagues, or if certain monarchs' medical conditions had been recognized and treated. The Black Death changed everything for some regions of Europe as whole families were wiped out and inheritances, land, and influence that would have belonged to one family ended up going to another.

Henry VIII's quest for a legitimate male heir resulted in quite an upheaval in the social order of England, and history would have been very different if he'd just been grateful for the healthy daughter he did get from Catherine of Aragon and worked toward giving her the education and resources she would need to succeed him, once he realized that Catherine was past childbearing. Or I suppose he could have legitimized his bastard son, but then Henry Fitzroy died young as well. Hmm... that branch of the family didn't do very well, did it?

Without the Internet, there would likely be far fewer radicalized leftists.
And vice-versa.

I'd rather live under Gilead than live under Malema.
Do you even know what Gilead means in the context of my post? Try googling "The Handmaid's Tale". It's a novel by Margaret Atwood that's been adapted to a movie, ballet, and TV show.

I already said that I have nothing against LGB people. I vociferously disagree with gender and pronoun ideology, though.
The attitude displayed in your posts contradict this assertion.

The point is that women could be heads of state even in the 19th century...so much for the historical sexism theory you espouse.
As someone else pointed out, a woman was head of state centuries earlier. But of course there were still detractors who fretted that women would be too weak, too frail, too delicate, and not intellectually capable of ruling a kingdom. I was actually thinking of still-earlier instances under the Plantagenets, when the default reaction to a woman being Queen regnant was to get rid of her. Mind you, there were those who thought the same of the Tudor queens, incessantly badgering Elizabeth to marry, and complaining about who Victoria chose.

I'm glad that the Queen did the stuff she did - I don't want women to all shut up and stay out of public life.

What I am opposed to is
1. Women prioritizing a career over having at least 2 children (falling below replacement fertility has all kinds of negative effects for society)
2. People of either gender promoting left-wing beliefs, including radical feminism

Even if only 5% of men reproduced, you could still have a stable population. The same is not true of women.
So only women who reproduce are worth anything and the rest of us don't count. Okay, gotcha. You realize that your antipathy toward the "left" is matched by others' antipathy toward the "right", right? The right-wing party that's currently running my province despises people like me, because people in my demographic (disabled) don't usually vote for right-wing parties - we know better than to expect any meaningful help or even compassion from them (mostly; I will admit that one right-wing premier of Alberta, Alison Redford, kept her promise to the disabled and boosted the benefit by a meaningful amount that made all the difference to us being able to keep a roof over our heads and being homeless).

I don't know what "radical" feminism means to you. I do know that people on this very forum have accused me of hating men because I identify as a feminist. My response is this: I've belonged to CFC for 17 years. My first few years here were mostly spent in the Civ forums because that's why I came here - to learn more about the game (it was a woman who taught me how to play it, btw). Then I meandered down to the Colosseum and joined in the OT discussions. I still love the game, but honestly... does it make sense for me to spend 17 YEARS on a discussion forum populated mostly by guys if I hate men (there was a period of several years when I was the only woman who was regularly posting in OT)?

All these long nested quotes are a real waste of postcount.
It prevents being infracted for spam.

If you move to Canada, you’re not a subject to the Prime Minister. He’s still held to accountability by his constituents and citizens. If he’s a member of parliament in your district, you have the freedom to vote his opponent.

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If people from across the political spectrum are becoming more accepting of diversity, then it follows that racial animosity will subside over time. When you foster an environment of understanding and compassion.

You have lots to learn being on this section of the forum. As it stands, you eather keep the views to yourself or adapt and change. Otherwise you’d end up becoming a social pariah.

But you’re against a transgender teacher teaching physics? Even if they’re not leftist and aren’t pushing what you would call “transgenderism”? I recall a time when people were not fine with gay, lesbian, and bisexual teachers and it’s just a rehashing of the same talking points.

In a sociological frame, trans women are women.


Have you heard of Queen Elizabeth I?


I think he checks in the closet and the backyard to find any leftists hiding.

I don’t know much about the Westminster Parliamentary System. But Trudeau is still held accountable by the Canadian voters and can have a vote of no confidence be brought to him or voted out of office since he’s still a member of parliament and can be voted out of office (If anyone can chime in, I’d appreciate it since I’d like to learn more about the Westminster System and how it’s different from the US’s Presidential System).

Why should immigrants be accountable for the sins of their fathers?

Bolded is an example of a minor anti-LGBT comment. You are omitting transgender people by essentially dropping the T. I can comb through this thread and point out each time you mention “LGB”. I highly doubt that you’re a TERF since you’d be against all waves of feminism as well.

Society is not going through a state of degeneracy. Stop listening to Tucker Carlson.

“I’m not against lesbians, gays, and bis, but….”

Pronoun ideology? Dude, the majority of the Internet and the world isn't Tumblir! I don’t have strangers walking up to me demanding me to call the person xi/xir.


So you’re in favor of Kinder, Küche, Kirche? Are you against a two income household? Because that’s relatively common to have both parents working. Is there a reason why you want household to have at least two children? Do you include interracial couples into the equation?


The only thing negative thing about feminism are sequestered to the radical misandrist faction. As I recall, feminism does want to bring forth equality to both sexes. That includes the freedom to choose to be either be a housewife or have a career and a family.
Exactly. Well said, all of it. :yup:

Briefly, Trudeau (or any party leader) can be ousted as leader via a non-confidence vote within the party, or he can step down if he wants to. He would still keep his seat in the riding he represents, since he would still be an MP even if he was no longer the party leader. He would only lose the seat by either resigning it or being defeated in an election. Or he could just walk away and not run in the next election.

One last thing: equality is part of many religions including Christianity and Islam, two of the largest religions in the world. To embrace equality is to be religious.
No. You do not have to be religious to embrace equality. I fully support people believing in any religion they want. I just draw the line at them imposing those beliefs on me or in the courts, hospitals, schools, my doorstep, etc.
 
Here’s a definite anti-monarchy thing I can agree on: countries that abolished theirs, I don’t think their royal houses are worth squat.

Prince of Oldenburg? Nope.
Duke of Savoy? Pfft.
Count of … Monte Cristo? Whatever.

No country, no title.
 
Does William Prince of Wales need to learn Welsh and speak it during a speech?
Not sure, but it would be a good thing if he did know Welsh. It's a bit along the line of a GG who isn't fluent in one of Canada's official languages (sorry, Mary Simon, but Inuktitut isn't official when it comes to federal matters).
 
Do monarchists believe that Charles III was appointed by God to reign over the Commonwealth?
 
Not likely.
 
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