(and probably most Europeans)
I've read somewhere that jobs where tips are expected are paid less than the minimum wage.
I simply can't understand how one can pay less than the minimum and not be arrested for fraud and exploiting people.
Tip the pizza delivery driver!
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(and probably most Europeans)
I've read somewhere that jobs where tips are expected are paid less than the minimum wage.
I simply can't understand how one can pay less than the minimum and not be arrested for fraud and exploiting people.
killercane
Deity
What part of the low tipping do you think is attributable to pizza chains tacking on "delivery fees"? Shouldnt pizza drivers unionize and try to lay claim to that $1.50-$2 per order?
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
What should happen is the government enforcing the minimum wage.
Che Guava
The Juicy Revolutionary
(and probably most Europeans)
I've read somewhere that jobs where tips are expected are paid less than the minimum wage.
I simply can't understand how one can pay less than the minimum and not be arrested for fraud and exploiting people.
Indeed. in ontario, I remember waiters getting paid $0.50/hour lower than minimum wage because they got tips. In that particular restaurant, it worked out fine for them (see my earlier rant
), but I can't imagine that tips can be too lucrative in other 'tipping jobs'.
crabapple
I am watching
any economy that is relaying on tips to "work" is a busted system and hopefully it will be removed do time
Heh...I'll take the tip system over the overpaid servers in Europe any day of the week. There's a contract between server and customer that's lost under the European way of overpaying their service workers.
The system works exceptionally well here and to be honest because we tipped our hotel guys in Prague (early and often) our service was above and beyond any other hotel customer. Guaranteed...
The system works exceptionally well here and to be honest because we tipped our hotel guys in Prague (early and often) our service was above and beyond any other hotel customer. Guaranteed...
Kozmos
Jew Detective
My experience with the police also improve vastly when I tip them.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
I hate tipping.
Come on. You were doing so well. I'm sorry, but this concept has been carefully explained to you over and again, at this point it just looks like you want to rant. And stop with the piss thing, find your own rhetorical device and quit skewing mine. It's just not polite, nor is it honest.
Or, just learn the basic courtesies of the country you plan to visit. None of this is beyond our ability to comprehend, and even your naivety seems less than invincible.
Well, if you want to consider it this way, then the pizza place pays the delivery guys whatever it is to be available to deliver and doing whatever else they do around the place.
When someone calls for a delivery, they're the ones hiring that person to go away from the place and to their home/office/wherever. The only bad part in the tipping culture is that you couldn't negotiate for it or know who would be willing to actually pay for that service. After all, if you don't want the service, then walk/drive/bike/take a bus and get it yourself.
As for only tipping when there is a "high" level of service...there can't be very many opportunities when driving/biking/walking to the destination to deliver the product handed to him to do anything above and beyond. Except maybe at my place, where they have to find their way into the building or call to have me go down/try to let them in because the nonexistent superintendent never fixes the bell system.
Wonder how many people would throw a fit if the place simply added 10% to their prices to cover it.
When someone calls for a delivery, they're the ones hiring that person to go away from the place and to their home/office/wherever. The only bad part in the tipping culture is that you couldn't negotiate for it or know who would be willing to actually pay for that service. After all, if you don't want the service, then walk/drive/bike/take a bus and get it yourself.
As for only tipping when there is a "high" level of service...there can't be very many opportunities when driving/biking/walking to the destination to deliver the product handed to him to do anything above and beyond. Except maybe at my place, where they have to find their way into the building or call to have me go down/try to let them in because the nonexistent superintendent never fixes the bell system.
Wonder how many people would throw a fit if the place simply added 10% to their prices to cover it.
There's nothing wrong with an appropriate GRATUITY, on the occasion that an outstanding favor or service has been provided, and you feel compelled to compensate the person with a monetary amount (or other perk/bonus), accordingly.
Other than that, I side 100% with the Europeans on this issue. THAT of course being - my 'self centered' point of view.
Here in America, you're just viewed as 'cheap', if you're not careless with your money. It's that simple. It's a culture of consumption, where anybody who has more than a few thousand in their savings (regardless of their 6-figure income), just 'isn't living'. "It's your duty - to live on the edge financially, and never hoard any money... throw it all immediately back into the economic pool, where it belongs." -Or something like that. It's some ideology I don't understand, and certainly don't agree with.
"Give me some of your money... I'll give you some of mine... then we can together go throw more away elsewhere - like a casino, or shopping mall". I don't get it. I guess I'm old fashioned... like in the 'old world' it would seem. -Where things are actually black and white, and business is cut and dry.
Other than that, I side 100% with the Europeans on this issue. THAT of course being - my 'self centered' point of view.
Here in America, you're just viewed as 'cheap', if you're not careless with your money. It's that simple. It's a culture of consumption, where anybody who has more than a few thousand in their savings (regardless of their 6-figure income), just 'isn't living'. "It's your duty - to live on the edge financially, and never hoard any money... throw it all immediately back into the economic pool, where it belongs." -Or something like that. It's some ideology I don't understand, and certainly don't agree with.
"Give me some of your money... I'll give you some of mine... then we can together go throw more away elsewhere - like a casino, or shopping mall". I don't get it. I guess I'm old fashioned... like in the 'old world' it would seem. -Where things are actually black and white, and business is cut and dry.
Shylock
Hey smiling strange
I pick up the pizza usually, it's cheaper.
I wonder...if there were more widespread general charges for deliveries or for waiting at some place, if there would be a change in the demand for such products. After all, some people may be put off by the fact that there would be two prices for the same thing (even if one is delivered) shown on the menu.
At the same time, I wonder how people would feel if they thought about it and realized they were subsidizing people that didn't tip.
This could be very interesting to look at for better minds.
At the same time, I wonder how people would feel if they thought about it and realized they were subsidizing people that didn't tip.
This could be very interesting to look at for better minds.
There's nothing wrong with an appropriate GRATUITY, on the occasion that an outstanding favor or service has been provided, and you feel compelled to compensate the person with a monetary amount (or other perk/bonus), accordingly.
Other than that, I side 100% with the Europeans on this issue. THAT of course being - my 'self centered' point of view.
Here in America, you're just viewed as 'cheap', if you're not careless with your money. It's that simple. It's a culture of consumption, where anybody who has more than a few thousand in their savings (regardless of their 6-figure income), just 'isn't living'. "It's your duty - to live on the edge financially, and never hoard any money... throw it all immediately back into the economic pool, where it belongs." -Or something like that. It's some ideology I don't understand, and certainly don't agree with.
"Give me some of your money... I'll give you some of mine... then we can together go throw more away elsewhere - like a casino, or shopping mall". I don't get it. I guess I'm old fashioned... like in the 'old world' it would seem. -Where things are actually black and white, and business is cut and dry.
So you're saying that because we encourage people to tip because a large part of their income is simply from tipping that now we live in a consumerist society that encourages spending and will lead to our doom!
Indeed. in ontario, I remember waiters getting paid $0.50/hour lower than minimum wage because they got tips. In that particular restaurant, it worked out fine for them (see my earlier rant
Again, not in Room Service.
I worked in Ontario to, In a Hotel that was under the Commercial workers Food UNion. WAge started at 7.00 (15cnts over Min WAGE!) and after 5 years I was making an astounding to 7.95 35 hours per week with tips on averge making it 18 bucks a hour(more like a 26$ perhour before tax job (thats where it pays to make tips in tax savings!)-good in a city where bad ass bachlor pad can be had for under 700/ month ) All the other waiters in the hotel were unionized aswell and made Massive tips plus higer then minuim wage. Hell the bartender at Nordic Lounge was King. At near 50 years old he served Louey 13 and Johney Black making 100 buck tips a few times a night then sitttin for hours watching TV an polishin glasses for over 10 bucks a hour!! (mind you hed been their since it opened under a more generous labour agreement)
Ontop he/we get Dental, Drug plan and even paid LU days like birthday and aniverisary start date, holidays..( totaling a extra grand in a year bonus)
I quit after 6 years at the age 27 at the point I was one of the youngest workers. THese guys were lifers trapped by lure massive of undeclared tips. cept It all sucks when you got to the bank and realize you have no proof to what your earnings are. I had to claim 9 grand in tips just to push up my income a respectable car loan (used acura rl 3.5)
So you're saying that because we encourage people to tip because a large part of their income is simply from tipping that now we live in a consumerist society that encourages spending and will lead to our doom!
No, all I'm saying is that I don't eat out (or do anything else that involves tipping), because of the following:
OK, I'd like to eat out, I really would. I'd like to go to Denny's, this morning - and have a nice breakfast. Why not? Well, because on top of paying about 12-14 bucks for a meal, then there's the perplexing moment when I have to A) calculate was 15% is, and then B) somehow figure out where I'm going to get the change, and leave it on the table, so that I can ever eat there again w/o them spitting in all my food.
I want to use a credit card. I carry no change, nor small bills. Maybe I have a couple of $1 bills, for emergency purposes - I don't even know. But please, let's keep this all electronic. Plus, why am I obligated to go through this, anyway? Just so I won't feel threatened if I walk into the place again? This is ludicrous!
IT'S ALL ONE BIG HASSLE. That's why I don't bother.
Anyway as for pizza delivery... man that's such a scam. Enough already.
15% of $14 is $2.10....which is why I'll never be one of those people carrying around a calculator just to figure out the tip (especially if it's double the sales tax).
I'm not sure how asking for the change as you slip the money into the bill is any more of a hassle...or somehow less lazy...than working as a waiter or a delivery guy. It's even easier if the tip part of the receipt when you sign your name by using a card really does go to the person that served you. Write in an amount, add it to the total for a grand total, and you're done.
I'm not sure how asking for the change as you slip the money into the bill is any more of a hassle...or somehow less lazy...than working as a waiter or a delivery guy. It's even easier if the tip part of the receipt when you sign your name by using a card really does go to the person that served you. Write in an amount, add it to the total for a grand total, and you're done.
15% is not a hard amount to figure out.
Watch: If your meal came out to be $46.20:
Ten percent is just moving the decimal to the left: $4.62.
Five percent is half that: $2.31.
Add: $6.93.
With a little bit of versing in mental arithmetic, you can do it too!
Watch: If your meal came out to be $46.20:
Ten percent is just moving the decimal to the left: $4.62.
Five percent is half that: $2.31.
Add: $6.93.
With a little bit of versing in mental arithmetic, you can do it too!
I'm sure there will be a "yes" to this...but do people seriously count out 93 cents to leave on the table? 
Btw, I only get haircuts like once every 4 1/2 months... guess why. 
Yeah I do tip, like a buck... but then I don't come back for several months... to compensate. I figure if I have to tip, then guess what, I'm going to have to find out a way to make up for it, plus interest.
Hey, what about a massage therapist... that's somebody that should get a tip? I don't understand why some people expect tips, while so many other don't. I try to stay away from the ones that do. D@mn haircutting people...
...they'll actually follow you up to the counter, and ask you a bunch of insisting questions that are totally not applicable. This one oriental guy, after a whole session of him trying to sell me some over-priced shampoo, then he followed me to the counter and was acting insistent. That was one time I flat out said, "NO, that'll be all - KthnxBye". That was probably the only time I never tipped after a haircut.
But then, there was this lady one time... she actually waxed my eyebrows (only time in my life it's ever been done), and gave me special treatment. I don't think there was an 'attraction' per se, she just wanted to take care of me, and do a little extra somethin' nice. See... THAT was tip worthy, so of course I did.
Yeah I do tip, like a buck... but then I don't come back for several months... to compensate. I figure if I have to tip, then guess what, I'm going to have to find out a way to make up for it, plus interest.Hey, what about a massage therapist... that's somebody that should get a tip? I don't understand why some people expect tips, while so many other don't. I try to stay away from the ones that do. D@mn haircutting people...
...they'll actually follow you up to the counter, and ask you a bunch of insisting questions that are totally not applicable. This one oriental guy, after a whole session of him trying to sell me some over-priced shampoo, then he followed me to the counter and was acting insistent. That was one time I flat out said, "NO, that'll be all - KthnxBye". That was probably the only time I never tipped after a haircut.
But then, there was this lady one time... she actually waxed my eyebrows (only time in my life it's ever been done), and gave me special treatment. I don't think there was an 'attraction' per se, she just wanted to take care of me, and do a little extra somethin' nice. See... THAT was tip worthy, so of course I did.
