The military was always really in control of Egypt, since Mubarak was never Commander in Chief. Mubarak was kind of the stooge of Egypt's true leaders, and I think this has all been part of an elaborate bluff. Also, the people that were there were trying to make the Military remember there true obligations. Hopefully Egypt will be in an uproar if they don't see the results promised to them. They have one main advantage, the regular soldiers of the military are with the protesters.
Tunisia-like riots breaking out in Egypt
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mechaerik
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Not really sure where to post this, so I'll put it here: Al Jazeera reports that there was a mass protest in Iran yesterday that ended with two deaths and two opposition leaders charged with being "corrupts on earth", which carries the death penalty. It seems that the protests were/are just a one day thing, but there are some indications that there may be more protests.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112158387191255.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112158387191255.html
Also protests in Bahrain and Yemen. Intriguingly Yemen also has a place called Tahrir square. And in Bahrain the protesters have occupied the main square in Manama and have generators and tents and everything ready for the long hall. I'm putting my money on Bahrain, they have a clear list of demands, they say they want to keep the monarchy but want an end to systemtic discrimination against Shia's who constitue 70% of the population, and want greater represntation, housing, education, human rights, etc.... Bahrain is next son.
Whiskey_Lord
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C'mon Bahrain, just get rid of the monarchy while you're at it. Do they really think that they can have more rights while allowing a dictator to remain in power?
I suspect they want a constitutional monarchy with a empowered parliment. I mean they already have all of that in place in theory, I mean there's a parliment and everything. It's just the problem of putting into practice and making it genuinely representative of the disenfranchised Shia's. Frankly I'm suprised they haven't been overthrown before given the population numbers.
Traitorfish
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"Tahrir" is Arabic for "liberation". Perhaps not a coincidence, then, that so named locations were chosen for both sets of protests.
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It's been like that for close to 1000 years...
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...that would be for the current protests and not the election ones that were a while ago.
Plus it says Secretary Clinton, not President Obama. I want Obama, as the chosen leader of these United States, to support Iran's liberty and strengthening of its democracy. How did that hurt the protests? Did the government threaten to cut jobs in the oil sector if they continued or something?
Thoughtful Thug
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1. Washington pumps billions of dollars into the Egyptian military to buy US made weapons.
2. Now the country is under the control of the Egyptian military.
:conclusion: A successful coup?
:reference: Chile in 1973?
:speculation: Washington is supervising the whole thing from either the very beginning, or after the fact that Mubarak has lost control of Egypt.
2. Now the country is under the control of the Egyptian military.
:conclusion: A successful coup?
:reference: Chile in 1973?
:speculation: Washington is supervising the whole thing from either the very beginning, or after the fact that Mubarak has lost control of Egypt.
...that would be for the current protests and not the election ones that were a while ago.
How did that hurt the protests? Did the government threaten to cut jobs in the oil sector if they continued or something?
i wasn't saying that government control oil sector and thats bad i was saying that government control 90% of gdp
well let see first let me say that in iran biggest employer is goverment so any one who didnt show up at work in protest days could easily get fired and second iran has around 90000 organized basij force and they are the main anti riot force of iran and if it wasnt because of that oil money irans goverment could never afford such massive force just to stop rioting srry for my bad English
Thoughtful Thug
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Can you make an educated guess what the ratio of how many people in Iran altogether and how many are members of the Basij?
I agree. The CIA was behind Mohamed Bouazizi's decision to burn himself alive
Thoughtful Thug
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That was in Tunisia. Your point is what?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
It was the Tunisia protest movement that triggered the Egyptian one.
what this has to do with anything can you explain more?
if your talking about witch side is stronger then you are forgetting something and thats fear
Traitorfish
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True. It may be 90,000 Basij against millions of protesters on paper, but from the ground it will often feels far more like 90,000 Basij against once poor bugger holding a conspicuously subversive placard.
Thoughtful Thug
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No. It is the high unemployment, food inflation, poor living conditions, and other things that led to the mass civil unrest in Tunisia. That was the cause of the movement. The death of the so-called martyr, was in fact a catalyst, an inspiration if you will, that gave the different groups the rallying call to unify and overthrow the existing regime that is running the country.
In Egypt, from my opinion and understanding, is more of a military dictatorship. Where the current head of that dictatorship lost control of the population that was inspired by the revolution that had taken place in Tunisia. And that when someone of that position loses his grasp of how he can manage things inside his country, then someone (a rival perhaps) will take the opportunity to take over.
It is plain that this is a military coup within the military.
Traitorfish
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I said "triggered", not "caused". Same way that, well, pulling a trigger "triggers" the firing of a bullet, but it's not the sole cause.
Was Mubarak really part of the military institution, though? He certainly governed with its cooperation and support, but that doesn't mean his regime could be properly considered a military one. Even if a military take-over represents a coup rather than a revolution, it doesn't mean that it was a simple internal re-shuffling, but a significant shift in power from one institution, National Democratic Party, to another, the military.
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getting slapped by a woman while losing the livelyhood is not conducive to good morale in a guy who doesn't have hope . ı have also been out of work for 5 years now and it is indeed stressful . No , CIA can not be behind this but once the tribe clan whatever decided a show of force (since that slap thing is not good for reputation and it might "encourage more dangerous predators " ) . And of course if one can rise so can others ; if they do get encouragement support from outside . When one can get a pen and paper and list down which minister belongs to which country it becomes sorta easier to revolt .
