UA Elimination Thread

Manifest Destiny (America) (3)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (14) +1
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (5)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (10)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7) -2

+1 You can easily build a very early army of brutes and take out your closest neighbor before the classical age.

-2 Very situational. Relies upon luck and map generation.
 
Manifest Destiny (America) (1) -2
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (14)
Hellenic League (Greece) (13) +1
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (5)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (10)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

America-Just not that good, I think we can all agree on that. Only good for the first couple turns.

Greece-Great UA, especially when you have Patronage.

Question: Can we vote for ones we've already voted for on another day?
 
Tavelon said:
Manifest Destiny (America) (1) -2
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (14)
Hellenic League (Greece) (13) +1
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (5)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (10)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

America-Just not that good, I think we can all agree on that. Only good for the first couple turns.

Greece-Great UA, especially when you have Patronage.

Question: Can we vote for ones we've already voted for on another day?
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I ninja'd you, edit and update the scores please :3
 
Manifest Destiny (America) (3)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)-2Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (5)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6) +1
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (10)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (9)

on an island map Ploynesia rulez. gives you the first step towards scouting other islands.

German UA is not that good -25% unit manitacne is ok but getting barbs is only fun and useless
Think Ottomans UA is quite better
 
Manifest Destiny (America) (3)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6) +1
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8) -2
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (9)

Songhai: boring UA barely helps with anything.
Mongol Terror: Helps make your keshiks the best darn unit in the entire game.
 
Manifest Destiny (America) (3)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (15) +1
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7) -2

Inca: Best case scenario you'll have no road maintenance, worst case scenario you'll pay only half.
Spain: It can slightly help if you're really lucky.
 
Manifest Destiny (America) (1) -2
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (20) +1
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (15)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

GS and GS points are mustard
America's UA is just weak
 
The A.K.T said:
Manifest Destiny (America) (3)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)-2Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (5)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6) +1
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (10)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (9)

on an island map Ploynesia rulez. gives you the first step towards scouting other islands.

German UA is not that good -25% unit manitacne is ok but getting barbs is only fun and useless
Think Ottomans UA is quite better
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In what way is the Ottoman UA better?
the AI wouldn't know how to use their navy if you gave them 3 free naval units.
There is nothing to defend yourself against.
The Ottomans are a great civ, but it is not because of their UA.
It may be a 67% discount, but it is useless if you are going against a civ with little coastline or a Pangea map.
Welcome to the forums by the way :goodjob:

Manifest Destiny (America) (0)
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (11)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (15)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

The American UA is useless. It gives a very small discount on buying tiles. I might not have voted it down if it were a 50% discount.
Babylonian Ingenuity is amazing as always.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9) -2
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16) +1
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (12)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

Incas UA is just great. Decrease in road maintenance is huge and double hill movement is useful in scouting and war alike.

Arabias UA is just crappy. Extra gold from a trade route is nothing and oil is not that useful resource as people think.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (13)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (12)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (10)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (13)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

Don't forget Rome: the reduced build times are a great boost for production overall (and the legion is great too).

Iroquois' UA is situational and only really useful early on. meh.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (14) +1
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10) -2
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (8)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (9)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (10)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (13)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

Aztecs: Simply a very useful UA with great synergy with its UU. Despite the fact that both bonusses are combat focused, you are not forced into a certain playstyle. I've won all kinds of victories with the Aztecs.

China: Don't get me wrong, I like China, though mostly for the paper makers. I feel its UA is underwhelming. Extra GG do nothing except give you more golden ages. And the bonus to combat isn't that huge anyway.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (14)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (10)[b/]
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (10)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (13)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)
It is impossible to hard build wonders
India's UA is the single best happiness boost in the game. As long as your cities are above size 6, which most puppets are late game, you can conquer to your hearts desire.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (10)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (13)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (8)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

While the aztec ability rewards you for playing a certain way (which can be a good way of playing), the Iroquois ability tempts you with a reward for very suboptimal play. Forests don't often become opart of your cultural borders, so it almost demands tradition, and even then, are you going to remove roads that were once needed, but now that you gained a forest are no longer necessary (wasting worker turns in the process)? Are you going to keep roads for ease of movement because the forest takes the long way round? Are you going to buy forest tiles? What is the return on investment on that? Usually 150 turns... so, really?
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (10)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (14) +1
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (6) -2
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (7)

Songhai: Doesn't really fit the civ that well and it's trying to be two things at once.
Rome: It's simple: Build a huge city, building HG, then spam mines and workshops and stuff.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (10)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (6)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (14)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (7) +1
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (5) -2

Spain - Too situational.
Songhai - Triple gold from taking cities pays for a rushed courthouse, and allows for very quick taking of entire continents without having to puppet.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (11) +1
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (4) -2
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (14)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (7)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (5)
 
ShahJahanII said:
The American UA is useless. It gives a very small discount on buying tiles. I might not have voted it down if it were a 50% discount.
Babylonian Ingenuity is amazing as always.
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I'm pretty sure that the discount is 50% now after the patch.
 
NwabudikeMorgan said:
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (11) +1
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (14)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (4) -2
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (14)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (7)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (5)
Click to expand...
This is the second time in a row you've done this without highlighting your choices and giving reasons. Stay out of this thread please.
 
Trade Caravans (Arabia) (9)
Sacrificial Captives (Aztecs) (15)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (21)
Art of War (China) (10)
Viking Fury (Denmark) (9)
Monument Builders (Egypt) (6)
Ancien Régime (France) (17)
Furor Teutonicus (Germany) (11)
Hellenic League (Greece) (12)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (16)
Population Growth (India) (11)
The Great Warpath (Iroquois) (8)
Bushido (Japan) (15)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (11)
Mongol Terror (Mongolia) (2)
Achaemenic Legacy (Persia) (15)
Wayfinding (Polynesia) (6)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (14)
Siberian Riches (Russia) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (13)
River Warlord (Songhai) (7)
Seven Cities of Gold (Spain) (5)

Japan's bonus is useful on any map you play on with all units.

Mongolia's bonus is aim mostly at city-states, which it's bad if you conquer them.
 
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