UF student gets tasered...

[skadistic]

Where was the violence at?

Flailing about and forcefully shoving an officer of the law.

 

[Elrohir]

Again, where is the evidence that he cut someone in line, cause the video does not show that.

All that I saw was a kid being thorough in laying the groundwork for a question and trying to get it all out at once, and as far as being obnoxious, I didn't realize that it was against the law. That is a public institution, paid for by the tax dollars of the citizens of Florida. You DO NOT forfeit your rights at the door.

I saw the police grab at and begin harassing him way before he became "obnoxious" and "combative." If they had just let him finish his question and Mr. Kerry refused to answer it, then fair enough, but this conflict was begun by the police and for no just reason.

It isn't in the video, but he did rush the microphone it according to eyewitness reports (See 12:14 9/18 update) and probably did so because Kerry wasn't going to answer any more questions. Then he rambles and goes over his alloted time, since he was only allowed to ask one question. Then he refuses to walk away after they cut his mike when he goes over his time and starts getting profane, and physically resists moving, and physically resists arrest.

He started this by disturbing the peace and refusing to listen, and then escalated the situation by physically assaulting police officers. He has no right to complain if they took appropriate measures which he found unpleasant.

 

[JohnRM]

It isn't in the video, but he did rush the microphone it according to eyewitness reports (See 12:14 9/18 update) and probably did so because Kerry wasn't going to answer any more questions. Then he rambles and goes over his alloted time, since he was only allowed to ask one question. Then he refuses to walk away after they cut his mike when he goes over his time and starts getting profane, and physically resists moving, and physically resists arrest.

It looked to me as though Kerry recognized him before he even spoke and opened the floor for his question. I didn't see any "rushing" of the mic, but I am glad to hear that whatever is legally defined as "rambling" is now illegal. It only seemed that they cut the mic well after the police had already begun harassing him.

If there was a strict time allotment that he had to follow, I don't understand what that has to do with police. Is this a police-sponsored event or something? It just doesn't seem right. Wouldn't the police get involved on AFTER he refused to drop the mic?

Furthermore, that time allotment must have been really short, cause the police started harassing him a mere 30 seconds into it. But, I don't know anything about that.

He started this by disturbing the peace and refusing to listen, and then escalated the situation by physically assaulting police officers. He has no right to complain if they took appropriate measures which he found unpleasant.

The police started it by harassing him for no good reason. He had not become belligerent until they began their harassment. When people are trying to kidnap you and forcibly detain you, in a manner that is unlawful, you are not obligated to follow their orders and you are justified in resisting, with violence if necessary.

 

[woody60707]

This is a guy who thinks a hate movie about jews, how the holocaust never happen and 9/11was an inside job is the "The Best Movie [he's] Ever Seen"

He had no intent what so ever of asking Kerry any questions. If he did, he would of asked one question, and let Kerry answer. But instead he just started rambling off rhetorical questions leading to his nutting CT ideas. With in ten seconds of him talking, it becomes very clear he just wishes disturb Kerry's speech and spew his own ideas. So the cops go to escort him out.

But wait, he starts acting crazy(er). Even though the odds are low of him causing physical harm to him self or others, it was still possible. So they taserd him, a min later you can see he is standing on his own with no ill effects.

So in the end, no one was injured. seems like a good thing to me.

 

[Elrohir]

It looked to me as though Kerry recognized him before he even spoke and opened the floor for his question. I didn't see any "rushing" of the mic, but I am glad to hear that whatever is legally defined as "rambling" is now illegal. It only seemed that they cut the mic well after the police had already begun harassing him.

If there was a strict time allotment that he had to follow, I don't understand what that has to do with police. Is this a police-sponsored event or something? It just doesn't seem right. Wouldn't the police get involved on AFTER he refused to drop the mic?

Furthermore, that time allotment must have been really short, cause the police started harassing him a mere 30 seconds into it. But, I don't know anything about that.

The video doesn't show the whole encounter. People were only allowed to ask one question, and he "asked" multiple questions, without waiting for an answer. He was basically up there grandstanding, violating the rules of the event. Then he got profane, and got upset when they cut his mike and asked him to leave.

I don't see what is so difficult about this. If he couldn't follow the rules, he should have left - if he wanted to have his own Q&A, then fine, whatever, but he has to follow the rules when he goes to a public place for a public event. Disturbing the peace and assaulting police officers cannot be tolerated.

The police started it by harassing him for no good reason. He had not become belligerent until they began their harassment. When people are trying to kidnap you and forcibly detain you, in a manner that is unlawful, you are not obligated to follow their orders and you are justified in resisting, with violence if necessary.

He broke the rules, was obnoxious and belligerent and wasn't listening to the police. He's a violent moron who deserved to get shocked and spend the night in the county jail.

 

[skadistic]

The police started it by harassing him for no good reason. He had not become belligerent until they began their harassment. When people are trying to kidnap you and forcibly detain you, in a manner that is unlawful, you are not obligated to follow their orders and you are justified in resisting, with violence if necessary.

Harassment by the cops? Are you kidding? His time was up he was asked once to leave and didn't. But its the cops fault. He wasn't being kidnapped. He was under arrest and you don't have any justification in resisting arrest. But its the cops fault.

 

[Adamb0mb]

I love the "Rodney King" chants.

 

[Mango]

He wasn't arrested for asking questions you fools. It was a series of events. First he supposedly rushes the mic after Q&A was over. Then instead of asking a question he turns it into a political tirade/promotional ploy for that book he was hawking, complete with rapid-fire "Why didn't you impeach Bush?" remarks which did not, in any sense of the word, resemble a question. In turn they cut his mic, at which point he began getting (more) disruptive so the police tried to remove him from the mic, at which point he obviously begins to resist the officers. There is no "arresting" going on at that point. In all likelyhood he would have just been escorted out of the building. Instead he chose to scream that he was being arrested, thus drawing attention to an action which had not even taken place yet. He does this again after the officer warns him to stop struggling or he will be tasered. What does he do? "Don't tase me bro!!!" followed by struggling, followed be tasing. It's an obvious ploy.

Kid deserved everything he got, except for the attention.

 

[Fifty]

And defensible.

Very much so. It's been well understood by normative ethicists since antiquity that "yielding of funniness" trumps all other (both moral and non-moral) considerations.

 

[VX250]

I support tasering the morons who listen that communist, and Kerry himself.


BZZZ!

 

[Stewbert 08]

Of course he was an a-hole but people don't deserve to get tasered just because they're a-holes. Now, using the word "bro," or being from Florida, THESE are true gray areas...





Three things about this video disgusted me:

1. That the rentacops clearly had no cue to take him off the mic, they just did it because they were personally pissed off by his final question. What's up, you mouthbreathers? Angling for a promotion? Showing personal initiative ain't for Epsilons, get back to shining your god damned buttons.

2. That the crowd just sat there. Except for that one hippie chick who screamed "police brutality," rofl.

3. That Senator Kerry just blathered on about "calming down" and that nobody paid attention to him. How characteristic. Oh, and chuckling while he was getting tasered? CLASSY. I don't regret my 2004 vote for you AT ALL, Senator. You're a hero.













That said, this is NOTHING like that case about a student who was escorted out of a UC library for not showing his ID card (and being, OOPS, Middle Eastern lookin') by SIX cops who, when he made a fuss, tasered him... and when he said he couldn't get up off the floor, tasered him five more times for fun NO WAIT I mean to "force" him to get up. When, yknow, two cops would probably be enough to manhandle any college student out of a building.

THAT'S fuggin police brutality.

Moral of the story, rentacops are unibrowed, ******** life failures. Stay far away from them and wish them ill. I hope the FAS-afflicted goons involved in this escapade die of syphilis.

Changed my mind, bro. Nuke Florida. From orbit. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE

 

[Fifty]

You suck at that humorously-hyperbole-ridden-yet-still-containing-truths style of writing that you're attempting to adopt, strewart. Just an FYI.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

Don't screw with men that have tazers and say they are going to use them. Case closed.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

From what I've heard, that is a very very, bad idea. Let somebody else do it to you, cause once you hit that trigger, you won't be able to release it. Unless of course in your flailing you drop the taser.

Thanks for the heads up.
Now i gotta find someone with a taser. I've never seen one around here.

 

[StarWorms]

The video doesn't show the whole encounter. People were only allowed to ask one question, and he "asked" multiple questions, without waiting for an answer. He was basically up there grandstanding, violating the rules of the event. Then he got profane, and got upset when they cut his mike and asked him to leave.

1. Asking more than one question does not mean they should be intervened by police
2. The rules of the event are not rules of the law

Tasers should only be used if they are a danger - the guy clearly wasn't and it was the police who were the danger if anything.

 

[JohnRM]

Did anyone else notice how this "violent" man had his hands up the whole time? Obviously no weapon. Obviously not violent.

EDIT: Another observation.

The Guy: "Excuse me! Excuse me! What are you arresting me for?"

The Cops: "Stop...stop, stop."

The Guy: "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Is anybody watching this?"

The Cops: "..." (Not notifying the Guy why he is under arrest)

 

[Stewbert 08]

You suck at that humorously-hyperbole-ridden-yet-still-containing-truths style of writing that you're attempting to adopt, strewart. Just an FYI.

OH SHI a black tar heroin addict is hatin on my style whatever SHALL I do.

The Cops: "..." (Not notifying the Guy why he is under arrest)

Or, yknow, notifying him that he is under arrest at all. If anyone has a timestamp on that please let me know.

 

[JohnRM]

OH SHI a black tar heroin addict is hatin on my style whatever SHALL I do.



Or, yknow, notifying him that he is under arrest at all. If anyone has a timestamp on that please let me know.

The fact that he was under arrest became quite apparent when they started man-handling him.

 

[Dezzilisk]

The guy said he would get up and walk out if they released him and pleaded with them not to taze him.

F***in porkers!

These fat american cops are a joke, everyone bash them

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[C~G]

Wasn't there other thread related to taser incident in campus some while back?

These guards are hilarious.

Cannot do their job without tasering someone.