UF student gets tasered...

[Elrohir]

1. Asking more than one question does not mean they should be intervened by police

Not inherently, but since that was the rule for this public event, he should have obeyed it. But since he obviously didn't intend to, I think it is legitimate for the cops to escort him away from the mike.

If they had just tased him while he was asking the question, that would have been premature. But they didn't - all they did was try to usher him away, and then responded more forcefully when he shoved them away.

2. The rules of the event are not rules of the law

So? He was being a public disturbance.

Tasers should only be used if they are a danger - the guy clearly wasn't and it was the police who were the danger if anything.

And how then, do you propose the police deal with this guy? He was clearly fighting them every step of the way, and wouldn't even let them cuff him. He wouldn't allow them to take him out until after they tased him, at which point he started cooperating - note that before, he was fighting them every step, while afterwards he was walking with the cops holding on to him.

I suppose they could have kicked him, or something, probably causing even more damage, or they could start carrying bottles of chloroform to anesthetize troublemakers, but they didn't have that option at the time. I'm still waiting to hear a viable option for how you force someone to cooperate with you who is physically resisting without hurting him.


EDIT: And for those of you who wanted documentation on the fact that he cut in line, here it is. According to Sen. Kerry, "He barged to the head of the line, this wasn't someone who waited patiently for his turn and asked a question."

 

[Godwynn]

Wasn't there other thread related to taser incident in campus some while back?

These guards are hilarious.

Cannot do their job without tasering someone.

Yes, at a school library. Except IIRC the ones at the library kept on tasering him, to the point of where I wanted to puke.

 

[skadistic]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...07/09/19/student_at_a_kerry_event_is_tasered/

Meyer, who has a history of chronicling his public hijinks, was released yesterday following a night in jail on charges of disturbing the peace and resisting an officer. I

Meyer apparently contributed to the thorough documentation of his dramatic arrest. "The student who was Tasered had handed a camera to another person who was with him before he went up to speak," said Steve Orlando, director of the university's news bureau.

Well now it looks like he may have resisted and caused a scene purposely. BUt I'm sure people will say its still all the cops fault.

 

[C~G]

And how then, do you propose the police deal with this guy? He was clearly fighting them every step of the way, and wouldn't even let them cuff him. He wouldn't allow them to take him out until after they tased him, at which point he started cooperating - note that before, he was fighting them every step, while afterwards he was walking with the cops holding on to him.

I suppose they could have kicked him, or something, probably causing even more damage, or they could start carrying bottles of chloroform to anesthetize troublemakers, but they didn't have that option at the time. I'm still waiting to hear a viable option for how you force someone to cooperate with you who is physically resisting without hurting him.

There are ways to control people physically without hurting them.

I would had accepted tasering if there would had been only one guard but there was more.

Obviously these guards didn't have a clue what to do.

And the person in question wasn't even aggressively resisting but passively resisting in other words he wasn't dangerous just resisting by his own bodyweight his handling.

If you don't know how to take person down with controlled physical techniques and without aids like sticks, sprays and tasers, I have only one suggestion: Don't be a guard.

Obviously the video is little bit hazy but what comes clear to me is only that they used excessive force when using taser on him. Completely unnecessary based into what I saw.

Yes, at a school library. Except IIRC the ones at the library kept on tasering him, to the point of where I wanted to puke.

Oh I remember now. That was indeed even more worse than this. He was already on the ground for god's sake.

EDIT: After watching the extended edition I can see the real professionalism of these cops (not guards apparently), or the complete and sheer LACK OF IT. The tasing isn't only unnecessary but also unprofessional, almost done in sadistic fashion because of the frustration towards own incompletency to do their job. I suggest suspensions, firing them or having to go through 100 hours of "how to work as a team with other 4-5 officers to take one jellybelly screamer-protestor down".

 

[Bill3000]

Well now it looks like he may have resisted and caused a scene purposely. BUt I'm sure people will say its still all the cops fault.

Woohoo, a real life troll!

 

[fishjie]

liberal hippy protestor got owned. he learned what all minorities already knew - mess with the cops - and they will mess you up.

all that moron had to do was STFU and go quietly, and he wouldnt have been tased. instead he wanted to cause a scene, and like all trolls, he got shut down hard. he got what he deserved.

now if only all those annoying liberal hippies would get tased the world would be a better place.

 

[JohnRM]

So? He was being a public disturbance.

You'd make any fascist proud!

Unpopular speech is now "disturbing the peace." Awesome! 1984, here we come!

 

[JohnRM]

liberal hippy protestor got owned. he learned what all minorities already knew - mess with the cops - and they will mess you up.

all that moron had to do was STFU and go quietly, and he wouldnt have been tased. instead he wanted to cause a scene, and like all trolls, he got shut down hard. he got what he deserved.

now if only all those annoying liberal hippies would get tased the world would be a better place.

Most Ignorant Post of the Year Award (2007)

You just remember to go quietly when its YOUR rights that are being trampled.

 

[C~G]

liberal hippy protestor got owned. he learned what all minorities already knew - mess with the cops - and they will mess you up.

all that moron had to do was STFU and go quietly, and he wouldnt have been tased. instead he wanted to cause a scene, and like all trolls, he got shut down hard. he got what he deserved.

now if only all those annoying liberal hippies would get tased the world would be a better place.

It's very unfortunate for you that keeping law and order isn't to give everyone what they deserve neither it's "to show off force" but to take control of the situation with the least amount of use of force possible.

Then again your message is something that is either complete a parody or serious opinion that apparently describes how everone deserve to get tasered if that trigger happy police officer just happens to think so. Both are laughable positions.

Enjoy your tasering.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Well now it looks like he may have resisted and caused a scene purposely. BUt I'm sure people will say its still all the cops fault.

Of course it's still the cops' fault.

The fact that he intended to get arrested doesn't change the fact that tazing someone on the ground when you have a 5:1 advantage on him, just cuz he's talking louder than John Kerry, is behavior that should get any rentacop busted down to asking if you want fries with that.

Damn, I didn't know that intending to get arrested automatically excuses whatever the cops decide to do to you. There goes civil disobedience!

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[JollyRoger]

liberal hippy protestor got owned. he learned what all minorities already knew - mess with the cops - and they will mess you up.

all that moron had to do was STFU and go quietly, and he wouldnt have been tased. instead he wanted to cause a scene, and like all trolls, he got shut down hard. he got what he deserved.

now if only all those annoying liberal hippies would get tased the world would be a better place.

Yep. If only the Brits would have had tasers back in the 1770's.

 

[skadistic]

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You just remember to go quietly when its YOUR rights that are being trampled.

What rights were being trampled? Was it the disturbing the peace? Resisting arrest? Causing a public disturbance? Maybe its the right to flaunt the rules of an Q&A forum then not leave when asked to?

What exact rights were trampled here? ( please say freedom of speech, please say freedom of speech!)

 

[skadistic]

Of course it's still the cops' fault.

The fact that he intended to get arrested doesn't change the fact that tazing someone on the ground when you have a 5:1 advantage on him, just cuz he's talking louder than John Kerry, is behavior that should get any rentacop busted down to asking if you want fries with that.

To bad thats not what happened.

 

[-0blivion-]

I have nothing to add really except that they were pretty crap cops if they couldn't subdue this bloke without tasering him, maybe they need to get themselves to the gym and do some weights.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Here's a link about the other incident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Taser_incident

Like I said, rentacops are fuggers.

 

[skadistic]

I have nothing to add really except that they were pretty crap cops if they couldn't subdue this bloke without tasering him, maybe they need to get themselves to the gym and do some weights.

Or maybe they didn't want to hurt him to bad. They could have easly bunched and kicked and drove thier knee into the back of his neck. Instead they asked him to comply and warned they would taze him. He didn't listen. So instead of breaking bones and really using force they tazed him. Something that wasn't to bad considering he got right up after being cuffed and continued acting like a moron.

 

[Stewbert 08]

To (sic) bad thats (sic) not what happened. (SIC)

It's exactly what happened. He had stopped resisting arrest. He offered to go quietly. He was on the ground, not moving, just talking at the top of his voice. That's a tasering offense? Go Cheney yourself.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Or maybe they didn't want to hurt him to bad. They could have easly bunched and kicked and drove thier knee into the back of his neck. Instead they asked him to comply and warned they would taze him. He didn't listen. So instead of breaking bones and really using force they tazed him. Something that wasn't to bad considering he got right up after being cuffed and continued acting like a moron.

We need a "roflfascist" smiley.

 

[-0blivion-]

Or maybe they didn't want to hurt him to bad. They could have easly bunched and kicked and drove thier knee into the back of his neck. Instead they asked him to comply and warned they would taze him. He didn't listen. So instead of breaking bones and really using force they tazed him. Something that wasn't to bad considering he got right up after being cuffed and continued acting like a moron.

They couldnt have pinned his arms behind his back? Thats pretty easy, especially with the element of surprise. From there he is unable to do jack all and can be cuffed.

 

[Ecofarm]

A t-shirt to sell at political opposition events: 'don't tase me, bro'

I'm not sure that a taser, used on an adult male, could ever be excessive use of force. Tasing should become commonplace. If police rules of engagement included: "tase first, ask questions later", I bet a few people would manage (at least after a couple enlightening lessons) to stop being complete and total jackasses in public. Like automobiles, a few unfortunate accidents in which people are killed should not stop this very useful device from being used.

Civilian: 'Officer, which way is 1st street?'
*Officer tases civilian*
Officer: 'What?'
Civilian: '1st, street....'
Officer: 'Do I look like a travel guide?'
*Officer walks away*