UFOs

"Moore's Law" (about steady increase to the power of transistors) has nothing to do with machine language. Transistors are used to have logical gates be set up; they don't change the machine language. Consider that machine language existed even before the transistor.
It's like saying that humans will develop wings because the life-expectancy will rise.

Math is cosmic because we are all subject to the same laws of physics in the Universe. It is for this reason most scientists believe that if we ever find aliens we should communicate with them through mathematics if we can't translate their language.
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Maths isn't another word for physics, they differ very crucially in that math doesn't require sensory pick-up of a phenomenon. Secondly, that some being on earth - and more importantly humans - can pick up stuff in a certain way, doesn't have anything to do with how the stuff being translated thus by this special receiving intellect (human) is itself (in philosophy this argument is known as "the thing-in-itself").
That we pick up physical phenomena and for us they do get tied to rules which work as interpretations, has nothing to do with what those phenomena are and therefore also nothing to do with how a very different alien might pick up some or any of them.

Consider a few examples:
If a being has feet and can walk, it can move instinctively. It can also examine the physics of various types of movement.
If a being had feet but lost it, it can move by using some tech. Some sense of isomorphism may be sought (eg create mechanical feet).
If a being never had feet, it might be able to move in another way. Isomorphism to movement of something with legs may be lacking or worse.
If a being doesn't even have a sense of what movement is, no isomorphism is possible.

Now consider that, by definition, the same laws apply. One easily concludes that they will be picked up (if at all) only in a special manner, depending on the nature of the being itself. This is why a plea to "the same laws of x in the universe" isn't a good argument.
 
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this would need verification ı think , as ı lifted it from the blog that spreads Pentagon lies , where people swear it is not photoshopped or anything , the lady is the general that joins the almighty powerful US Spaceforce ...


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mind , ı have also trawled some book where the foreword claims Ben Rich , famed lead of Lockmart supposedly once said :

."..we have things in the desert [but not in Groom Lake/Tonopah/other haunts of ordinary people] that are 50 years beyond what you can comprehend, not what you think you could make in 50 years, but what you could comprehend... if you have seen movies such as Star Wars or Star Trek, we have been there, done that, or decided it wasn't worth the effort."

which he didn't , stuff that was still 20-30 years ahead of competition after being done 20-30 years ago are not anything that bears scrunity after the mistake in calculations UFO nuts allude to him has merely resulted Alcubierrie warp theorems , sorry for possible mispellings , and nothing to work with , as usual . Discovering the Chinese are nasty , here we have America claiming they have Stormtroopers ... Who is the emperor then , with the Red Guard in sight ? Pity the orange messiah the Lizard God is nowhere within the White House ... Looking forward to discuss who has mile long starships .

but still lovely blog , with members going crazy with two lranian ships travelling to Venezuela , calling on lsrael to sink them , despite the thing that lsraeli submarines are like designed for the "lndian Ocean" and would have done that already , for some reason ... Expect thousands of strokes when the first ship arrives ...
 
Maths isn't another word for physics,

But both us and aliens are subject to the same physical laws of nature. Therefore if they have math, their math would describe reality in a very similar way to our own. Again it could be different if they have advanced further than us, but certain laws are true no matter where you are in the Universe, like the law of gravitation.

in philosophy this argument is known as "the thing-in-itself"

Philosophy isn't really a great way to describe the world around us when compared to science. Philosophy is too emotional and subject to ideological whims.

Religion and politics are closer to philosophy than philosophy is to science. And at the end of the day some guy off the street can invent a philosophy, without any proof or logic to back it up. So I tend to be very weary when people use philosophical arguments to contest science and math when we all know very well that philosophy is kind of just a bunch of made up nonsense.
 
It is the root of the problem, that computers have as a lower level something which operates according to formalization of logic. That's pretty much all analytical philosophy does, and did so since antiquity. No philosophy=no computers.
 
It is the root of the problem, that computers have as a lower level something which operates according to formalization of logic. That's pretty much all analytical philosophy does, and did so since antiquity. No philosophy=no computers.

Umm computer code does not run on philosophy, it runs on math. So more like no math = no computers.

It is the root of the problem, that computers have as a lower level something which operates according to formalization of logic.

And human brains don't? What makes you think that "exclusively" human things like emotions aren't just some binary 1s and 0s fired off and stored by our neurons? Also if they are nothing but binary or some form of mathematics what makes you think future machines will be incapable of replicating that? The human brain is after all just a big meat computer, nothing spiritual or uniquely special there.
 
If you are interested in these questions, there are a lot of books to read. By "philosophy" you clearly mean something very confined, if it is philosophy at all. Even in ancient times philosophy was divided to fields, one of which was dealing with propositional logic and its generalization: predicate logic. Formal logic (which is important here because a computer is always a formal logic system) is an axiomatization of predicate logic. The important early book on such a system was written mainly by a philosopher (Russell), and limitative theorems (which show that a formal logic system, so a computer, have certain limits) sprung from that, as reactions.
A general outline of the progression of what is now formal logic will take you from the presocratics and Aristotle (syllogism being a form of propositional logic) to the stoics (on both propositional and predicate), to 19th century logicians and Russel, leading to Godel, Turing, Tarski, Church and others. If you are interested enough to read about them you will certainly conclude that the math part is secondary to the pure logic part (another question is whether one can speak of math and logic being one and the same; it is another open question, but the formalization process started exactly under the impression that they were the same, and then limitative theorems showed they likely are not).

Re "computer code": one usually means by that something above the lowest level, like a compiler language. Machine language (which is the lowest level) is binary, generated by electricity affecting the transistor chips which are organized in a way so as to form logical gates and tied structures. Which brings us to the aforementioned primacy of logic, itself a philosophical field first and foremost.

PS: It is worth noting that claiming math is important, but philosophy is not, is problematic itself, since the first use of theorem-math is attributed to a philosopher: Thales. And since the first axiomatization of math was in Euclid's Elements, where Thales's theorems are studied, it isn't logical ( :) ) to position philosophy versus math.Moreover it took roughly 2000 years for that axiomatization to be reproached - the result of that was a huge crisis in math, the study of non-euclidian geometries and - ultimately - the attempt to find another basis for all math, this time not in geometry but formal logic (this attempt seems to also have failed, due to the limitative theorems).
Obviously there are other parts of philosophy (say Ethics) which aren't sharing a subject with logic or math, at least not in any clear way, and also obviously anyone can imagine what philosophy is without having any actual foundation (even tv personalities speak of a philosophy).
 
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If you are interested in these questions, there are a lot of books to read. By "philosophy" you clearly mean something very confined, if it is philosophy at all. Even in ancient times philosophy was divided to fields, one of which was dealing with propositional logic and its generalization: predicate logic. Formal logic (which is important here because a computer is always a formal logic system) is an axiomatization of predicate logic. The important early book on such a system was written mainly by a philosopher (Russell), and limitative theorems (which show that a formal logic system, so a computer, have certain limits) sprung from that.
A general outline of the progression of what is now formal logic will take you from the presocratics and Aristotle (syllogism being a form of propositional logic) to the stoics (on both propositional and predicate), to 19th century logicians and Russel, leading to Godel, Turing, Tarski, Church and others. If you are interested enough to read about them you will certainly conclude that the math part is secondary to the pure logic part (another question is whether one can speak of math and logic being one and the same; it is another open question, but the formalization process started exactly under the impression that they were the same, and then limitative theorems showed they likely are not).

Re "computer code": one usually means by that something above the lowest level, like a compiler language. Machine language (which is the lowest level) is binary, generated by electricity affecting the transistor chips which are organized in a way so as to form logical gates and tied structures. Which brings us to the aforementioned primacy of logic, itself a philosophical field first and foremost.

What makes you insist that human brains don't have the same limitations of machines? Can you prove that the human brain is anything but a biological machine? Of course you can't because philosophy is not a real proof.
 
What makes you insist that human brains don't have the same limitations of machines? Can you prove that the human brain is anything but a biological machine? Of course you can't because philosophy is not a real proof.

Maybe to "win" this web argument I have to construct a colony in the Andromeda Galaxy as well? :p
I did present a lot of information about what you can read if you are interested. That stuff is there regardless of posts in CFC (and likely will last far longer too).
 
Maybe to "win" this web argument I have to construct a colony in the Andromeda Galaxy as well? :p
I did present a lot of information about what you can read if you are interested. That stuff is there regardless of posts in CFC (and likely will last far longer too).

So what, do you think the human mind is the result of some kind of soul/spirit and not brain tissue? If so, is this why you believe machines will never be on par with humans? Because machines have no soul?
 
so , with two weeks left , for the report to go public or whatever , we are hearing no evidence for aliens existing and mocking the US Military ... And they are not US made either ... You know fancy super duper things that beam themselves in and out , do crazy stunts and whatnot .

this would hurt American sensibilities , because it has been an exciment for followers of "Defence" that America can do stuff with protons and whatnot to create false targets to let its airpower to opearate in defended zones in a peer conflict and destroy such defences and treat the likes of the Chinese just like the lraqis in 1991 and 2003 ... So , well , they had a story in the blog that dispenses Pentagon lies about how an 2019 affair that was reported as bugs seen by radars to be covering like half of California or whatever can not be bugs . But weird new kind of American chaff that stay in the air for hours ... Which wouod cover an USN carrier from plunging Chinese Balistic missiles for sure , though ı don't know whether any subpar pilot would try his luck going visual , guns even , with loads and loads of Flankers in the sea between the Mainland and Taiwan ... And of course , previous editions of persistent chaff or dust clouds or snow falling down ... at least one of which was covered by a C-130 salvoing its entire load of chaff at once during an emergency . People of course joked about chemtrail obsessed idiots outta there ; with the learned understanding being America was testing something and it had to be covered from civilian air traffic radars and the like . Nobody is OF COURSE remembering Vietnam ...

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chaff bombers would fly high , drop tons of chaff canisters that would open up , letting stuff fall down and create a wall against especially SAM radars . Escort are those planes that keep up with their consorts against MiGs , Weasels fire missiles against SAM radars as the chaff cloud would take time to fully form , MiG CAP planes directly start chasing MiGs when they see one , unlike the escorts which would refuse to go after an enemy plane if their departure would leave the consorts open for an attack ... Strike bombers take their time and wait for like half an hour with the chaff wall's bottom now almost reaching the ground , because laser designators in those days were either rather weak in operation or very bulky and they required more attention and stability in action . Recon planes would be the last , and they would be regularly reporting success with the targets demolished , particularly satisfying as LGBs were doing the work so efficiently that this picture you see here was achieving stuff in the 1970s that would have taken hundreds of planes in the 1960s ... That's where the magical qualities of Stealth appear , because one plane could be equal of this picture ... Or two or four of this picture ...


so , America has no need of chaff cover , good for them . And no , ı won't be reported for any claim that the Russian bomvers have indeed been overflying the Continental US , despite the drubbing the blog provided to the USN , for it is so obvious that the USAF is responsible for the defence of America and people should shut up ...

edit : No Russian bomvers of course , should read bombers . Cursing the autocorrection facility of the tablet daily .
 
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Even after following this, the usual conclusions come to mind. The probability of aliens is low, to put it mildly. But I can buy the people see or think they see crap they can't explain, and instead starting interpreting it as things they want it to be rather than whatever it is/was.
 
no , many people are very ready to twist . ln a recent past , with me providing the first Foo Fighters were linked by the Luftwaffe to a Leutnant Sheridan , because the USAAF guy (the Nazis were torturing) gave them some random name to get out of trouble (because my weird pals online used to be in the colours and stuff and one of the guys claims having seen the original documents about it) ... Still , ı said ı wasn't saying it was Russian bombers but it was Russian bombers , some leading personality of a site elsewhere on the web said it was Aliens ... Mind you , he had never explained anything in that way before . America is so great that it can be played with only by Aliens .

and of course the daily rant , a response to no one in particular . Am getting old , physical pain out of random issues ... Eyes getting out of coordination or something . Have had glasses since the 2nd grade , making it 41 or 42 years by now . Can't use this tablet with spectacles , can not use the laptop or watch TV without spectacles ; spending an hour each day looking for my glasses , forgetting where ı put them last , shamefully must get some thread or something to hang them to my neck ...

what remains stable is irritation . Because my weird pals used to be professionals and yours idiotly found solace in their Turkish only forum or something , the narrative like becomes real and relevant . America never giving up or something ... lf people were to search , they would see that the PM once said , without any particular context , that life begins after 50 or is better after 50 or whatever . There has been this Congregation , a stain on the honour of the country , with a wish to raise a so called Golden Generation , who would fix the country and even the world . Defined to be those who entered the (university level) military schools in 1986 . Greatly making them available to be Colonels and Generals and stuff during the Disgrace of July 15th , the coup attempt of 2016 . Congregation pressuring the PM , PM telling them patience is good their turn will come , only because America can not make its mind ... Two nights ago ı came across some news footage where a shiny uniform Barzanist was shouting something like "Yes" during the clashes with the seperatists , because his American mentors would mock everything else as a snack bar or something ... Come on , let it be war , you can't possibly fail to win it utterly ... Because , as it happens some mafia boss , just about 50 , is utterly wreaking havoc with A-K-P and nobody is bad mouthing him , which only makes it sure that America has arranged it all and playing for time , again ...

in preparation for the idiots who will claim it otherwise , am an admiral of the Starfleet , you can start looking in the mirror while searching for the Golden Generation .

it was probably before my time that people in CFC defined states as the proper method in cattle stealing , accordingly today's picture should be a likely reminder . No , not a blond , rather short and plumb , not a thief , can't stand the average smell of a cow , the artist would not support or anything about what am saying , like any other ı have lifted pictures from . The best link to trawl Star Wars books and stuff has gone dead , can't say ı would lose access to Artstation (which efficiently kills my time and keeps my groans muted) because it apparently was sold to a gaming company and they are keeping stuff free until at least 2022 ... Stuff , stuff ... Would be somewhat different wordage , but ı have seen some random guy claiming on the Echo Chamber that the so called national intelligence is thousands of years old and it shows in their handling of the mafia boss ...

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the two guys on the corner are like China and Russia debating whether he wants another one (yeah , still the same nonsense in 2021) the guy will know himself/themselves with their claims that there was a dialogue (there is not , considering it is just average delaying by America while they fiddle to re-arrange their smart conspiracy) and the flying one is most likely to be USAF , eh ?
 
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So... 36 handbags worth $100K. Some quick math tells me the price of those things was somewhere in the neighborhood of $2800. Each.

That's insane. The most expensive handbag that I own - as in an actual purse I would use - cost less than $30. And that's Canadian dollars.

I go for functional first, unobtrusive second, and it has to be affordable. The best purse I ever had cost about $25, I bought it over 20 years ago, and am still using it, though it's pretty tattered now. Definitely nothing like Louis Vuitton. I guess that means I am safe from the aliens.
 
washington Post release on June 9th 2AM in a timezone of GMT plus 3 , whatever the exact time might be . That Elizondo guy talking to a Ms. Jackie Alemany . Between them we learn , like , the things are not American made / this line should cease immediately (except the part where they will blame the Navy) . Like , can not be Aliens , because some reason they do not talk about / because man , who has ever dated Klingons around ? Let's see the hands , people ! Like , can not be Russians because of being cool pals for 5 years after the Fall of the Wall / Ben Rich Conspiracy of sending a secret probe to Alpha Century or stuff like that .

like , should not be China , because the tic tacs are supposedly being seen since 1950 and China was totally backwards back then , without the current security apparatus , the boys from Langley could/would/should have stolen the formula already . 1950 because the ever cool USAF started fielding the F-86 in 1949 , which was described as a time machine at the time , no doubt like because there would be some latitude where it would beat the rotation of the earth and like go back ! Check Kirk and Spock and crew in the Klingon Bird of Prey going around the Sun to save the whales ...

like , they can be from deep oceans or ı don't know , maybe the Hollow Earth . lt's the journalist who says they might be time travellers , because ı guess the consensus in DC wants to save that as a last resort against China , that they would go back and save the carriers from being sunk , by knowing when the missiles would hit , hence no such discussion allowed or tolerated , from the talking heads on TV and stuff .

from tiny things we can deduce (after omitting the entirely BS story of tic-tacs) America was ahead in the submarine released drones business until 2014 , then the Commies either had another leak like the 2011 one that allowed the Chinese to own the entire JSF dataset , like everything on Lockmart servers about the F-35 , or they finished translation of stuff or they finished tests and stuff and these later Commie drones are (wildly) superior to American gear . Which also indicates 2014 was the year the manned penetrations of the US Airspace overland began . Which is an intelligence failure 10 times the size of 9/11 (and it WlLL be the fault of American Naval lntelligence) . See , if USAF can not freaking intercept drones , it must be the fault of USN (whose silly stupid budget prevents USAF from having adequate kit to do the job) . Aliens would fear the wrath of USAF and ten thousand Raptors . Some little talk on how people know so little , human advance rests for centuries and then makes a sudden leap and they will figure it out , one of these days , just wait and you will see , how this is a threat that should unite the Mankind , of course under wise and wisdomful American leadership or something , because the evil Chinese , oh my God , wants the subject discussed in the UN and gain the immeasurable prestige of introducing the aliens to the world at large , you know this entire cheeky Middle Kingdom business , China between the heavens and the rest of the world , aka Barbarians .

the allegation that tic-tacs love Radiation , which you saw with poor Chekov almost dying to steal some from USS Enterprise , even if the actual carrier in the movie was not numbered 65 and Wikipedia will say it was USS Ranger . Yeah , goodly worldly smart Americans attract UFOs with nuclear ships , because USAF does NOT want you think it can NOT defend the Homeland , after so many decades of BS about breaking doors (destroying air defence arrays) of so many worthless countries filled with Brown Peoples .

though the best part should be Aliens always turning down American nuclear devices , with the 1950 cut off date being a splendid limit and the same aliens turning up nuclear devices elsewhere . This American fixation with a nuclear first strike that can be covered as an accident and will destroy evil Commie states with infighting ! Yeah , not a day should pass without Americans threatening the world with Global Extinction , before the Manhattan Projects , Americans were sweet British puppies , you know ...

and of course the tagline of Washington Post or whatever , that Democracy dies in Darkness . Whatever little we had has gone down under the brilliant lights held by , among others , the very American media . Another Turkish guy who doesn't even know me , but lifted the picture from Artstation , again . Am pretty sure the original , like the troops photographed Black and White , show the Marines in the period of Chosin Reservoir stuff in 1950 .

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bah , silly r16 , of course it was in colour , with Corsairs having just dropped napalm .

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The report is out.

I have not got past the "EXECUTIVE SUMMARY" but it looks like it mostly says "give us more money to monitor them".
 
actually "Aliens are so ready to fight us, but we are the wimpest of all." But nobody should worry , unlike what some sort of an imbecile has been forced to understand Army of Petrol of New Turkey will start fighting enemies of America , starting from Afghanistan . You know , they released pictures of the Turkish Brigade in the Korean War , because it happens to be some sort of an fetish or whatever for every American idiot who knocks his head and forgets his secret orders and starts believing we are allies . lf my tablet was not semi knocked out , imagine the pictures here .

wimps ...
 
@Berzerker I thought you would like this. I have not read it, but it is not obviously rubbished by the citing papers.

The “Wow! signal” of the terrestrial genetic code

Here we show that the terrestrial [genomic DNA] code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin.

Highlights
► The SETI hypothesis of an intelligent signal in the genetic code is tested. ► The code is shown to possess an ensemble of same-style precision-type patterns. ► The patterns are shown to match the criteria of an intelligent signal.​
 
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