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Yes, you're taking advantage of her and abusing her position.
(or is it the other way round?
)Anglo-Saxon puritanism?
UK Music Teacher Jailed for 15 Months For Lesbian Affair
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Yes, you're taking advantage of her and abusing her position.
(or is it the other way round?
)Anglo-Saxon puritanism?
Mise
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Well I think the point about teachers being singled out is because we don't want potential teachers to see schools as dating agencies and harems for their sexual ambitions... But, as Akka and Bathsheba said, trials are there exactly to establish facts and make decisions based on those facts, rather than merely applying one-size-fits-all rules.
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Err...
While I'm not in the bandwagon "OMG she had consensual sex with a young girl, burn the witch !", let's not get in the other extreme.
Teenagers are not children, but they are not adults, and are still minors. They are usually not able to make totally informed decisions and are very easily influenced - a hot teen dressing sexy and trying to charm is rather testing her newfound attractiveness and not knowing exactly what it means than really understanding all the parts.
Let's use common sense here, and just as it's ridiculous to see an affair with a teenager just like having sex with a toddler, it's also ridiculous to see an affair with a teenager like a normal relationship with an adult.
There is lots of shades of grey when people have roughly the same age (18 and 15 for exemple, technically one is minor and not the other, I would consider it ridiculous to see it as "rape" or "abuse" in any way or form), but the larger the difference, the more dubious and unhealthy it becomes (a 50 years old with a 15 is just sick, sorry).
In this case, 25 and 15, it's somehow grey, but clearly not "all right".
Also, it should be TOTALLY FORBIDDEN for a teacher to have a relationship with his/her student - it's the same in the army BTW, you are forbidden to have a relationship with someone under your authority, and soldiers aren't usually children as far as I know.
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Age of consent in Canada used to be 14 until very recently. The Conservatives got their hands on it and now teenagers, fundamentally different than they used to be, can no longer give consent until they are 16. Well, that was what was proposed anyway.
Seems kind of silly to me; 16 seems a little high to be labelling someone a sex offender over. I agree with Akka, it gets a little dubious when the age differences are large and the girl is 14 or 15. But this "girls under 18 are completely ******** and cannot give consent" attitude is silly. It is especially strange when clearly there isn't anything close to consensus among the developed countries. Maybe it is just American and British girls that are too stupid? Puritanism.
Of course, this case in the UK is slightly special because it is a teacher-student situation... places of authority and whatnot.
Seems kind of silly to me; 16 seems a little high to be labelling someone a sex offender over. I agree with Akka, it gets a little dubious when the age differences are large and the girl is 14 or 15. But this "girls under 18 are completely ******** and cannot give consent" attitude is silly. It is especially strange when clearly there isn't anything close to consensus among the developed countries. Maybe it is just American and British girls that are too stupid? Puritanism.
Of course, this case in the UK is slightly special because it is a teacher-student situation... places of authority and whatnot.
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i see why the judge had to find her guilty, but is 15 months really the least he could have given her?
Only in America!
Only in America do we have hot teacher-student lesbian liaisons?
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
/highfives everyone
holy king
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guys, this happened in london.
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Winner has complained that sex with a 15%
Mise
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Only in Londonistan!
Did anyone here actually saying that this was the same as having sex with a five year old?WTH? It's 15 here and it's still too high.
Is it morally questionable? Yes, sure it is. Should it be a criminal offense, one which will ruin the teachers life (15 months + no teaching for life)? No.
At the worst case, they should ban her from working with girls
Anyway, I am sick of this legalistic crap which is trying to convince us that having sex with a 14, 15 or 16 year old is the same thing as abusing a 5-year old child. It's definitely not the same thing. Yes, adults should know better than getting involved with teenagers, but to put them into the same category as pedophiles is INSANE thing, bordering on a witch hunt.
I don't think it is - having sex with a 15 year old who "consents" is different from having sex with a 5 year old. But that doesn't mean it's OK. You have this really weird dichotomy that either this teacher's behavior is like raping a 5 year old, or it's not that big a deal. (And since it's obviously not the first, it must be the second....) A 15 year old is better qualified than a 5 year old to ascertain the responsibilities and problems associated with sex, and to consent to them - but she still isn't legally about to, and for good reason - just because a 15 year old knows more than a 5 year, doesn't mean the 15 year old is an adult.
The teacher took advantage of her position of authority and violated the trust of the community. That warrants a harsh response.
So...you think adults should be able to have sex with 14 year olds? (Or 13 year olds? Or 12 year olds? Or....I'm not sure where you're drawing the line.)I completely agree with Winner. It is ridiculous that 16 year olds cannot consent to sex, and the age of consent is 15 here alsom, which, as he said, is still to high. As for students having sex with their teachers... What the hell is the problem? Students have been having sexual fantasies with teachers since before the beginning of time! Or are people trying to tell me that every student that found one of his/her teachers sexually attractive was in fact being manipulated?
Also, just because because someone may fantasize about a scenario does not make it automatically moral or legal to carry out. It's not uncommon for some women to fantasize about being raped - if you find one who has, is it OK to rape her, on the basis that "well, she fantasized about it, so what's the problem?" Fantasy =/= reality. Just because students may want their teachers doesn't mean it's moral or healthy for them to exchange in actual relationships with their teachers.
Not necessarily. But you're still in the wrong if you have sex with her.
Saying teachers shouldn't have sex with underage students is being "afraid of sex"? If so, then I am quite unashamed of my fear of sex.
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Agreed fully. I think it was better when the age of consent was 14, but then they changed it, which just ended up landing relationships in jail. (for example, 14 year old girl with 18 year old guy)
Yes, they can. Are you going to tell me, when you were a teenager, you were a vegetable and was not capable of making your own decisions?
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The teacher student relationship should always be professional one, they are there to do a job and that shouldn't be seconded to the personal whims of the person in position of power.
If you can't see the problem with this, then you have probably not seen a 14 year old girl or an 18 year old guy in awhile. I can say with a reasonable amout of certainty that you would not let your 14 year old daughter or sister come home with an 18 year old dude.
If you can't see the problem with this, then you have probably not seen a 14 year old girl or an 18 year old guy in awhile. I can say with a reasonable amout of certainty that you would not let your 14 year old daughter or sister come home with an 18 year old dude.
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I see it all the time. Most of the time the guy just wants sex, but that's the same result if you have someone your age as well.
And hell, if I knew the guy, and knew his morals and standpoint, I'd let him date my daughter if he was good for her. Now, if he was the scraping of the bottom of the barrel, well, no then.
Mise
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Thankfully, we don't let the government raise our children in this country. If you Americans want a paternalistic nanny state dictating how you should raise your children, that's fine, but I'll raise my kids the way I want to raise them. If I don't want my 14-year old daughter dating an 18-year old guy, then I won't let her. I don't want the government to dictate what goes on in my household.
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When you live in a world where you always know when your 14 year old daughter is getting bottomed out by an 18 year old let me know.
I see some rather knee jerk anger here, its not uncommon when your pretty little academic arguement gets exposed to the reality of your personal situation.
However, lets take your position to its logical conculusion. If you want to let your 8 year old daugher be man handled by an 18 year old, who is the government to intervene!
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Your wrong on this one. Yeah, I am going to tell you that as a teenager, I wasnt able to consent to enter into a contract legally, or any binding agreement because I was a minor. Your're confusing making choices as a kid, with legally making choices as an adult. The two are not the same.
Thankfully, we don't let the government raise our children in this country. If you Americans want a paternalistic nanny state dictating how you should raise your children, that's fine, but I'll raise my kids the way I want to raise them. If I don't want my 14-year old daughter dating an 18-year old guy, then I won't let her. I don't want the government to dictate what goes on in my household.
Just make sure she keeps her burka on and your golden.
Btw, does the government there allow you to spank your kid?
Mise
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So now you want to live in a world where the government knows where my 14 year old daughter is at every moment of the day?!?! What kind of Orwellian nightmare are you trying to force upon us?!?! Honestly, I can't think of anything more terrifying than a world where the government knows more about my family than I do.
But hey, if you want to hand over your freedom to the government and let them raise your children, go ahead. We value freedom in this country.
8 year olds having sex isn't anywhere near comparable to 15 year olds having sex
To equate the two is to sickeningly underplay the horrible effects that sex at 8 years old has on the child. Only someone so disgustingly out of touch with reality could possibly make such a comparison. Nobody else in this thread has done so, but it doesn't surprise me that someone who wants the government to have more control than the parent in raising a child could have such a distorted and abhorrent view of child sex.
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The age of consent is not defined here quite like it is elsewhere, which is why you sometimes see this claim, but in practice the age is actually 18, certainly not 13. I do agree though that people get overly sanctimonious about the particular age of consent that happens to be in effect in their part of the world. Legally there needs to be some kind of cut-off point, but there's nothing morally special about that age being 15, 16, 20 or whatever. The important thing is preparing kids to make informed decisions, and if that is avoided for whatever reason, then even 20 year olds shouldn't be expected to do better than properly prepared 15 year olds.
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No, I want to live in a world where if an 18 year old guy wanted to take advangtage of a 14 year old girl the only thing detering him is not whether or not the father would be angry. I want him to know that there is a very serious detention sentance awaiting him, and simply concealing his act from you does not help him avoid that.
Perhaps you should have taken that into account before tabiling that logically bankrupt crap you call a justification above.
Oh look at you, tugging at the emotional heartstrings! Only someone as divorced with reality as you could look at sex between a middle schooler and a college freshemen as perfectly normal and okay.
However, take another stab at justifying your position, I'll give you a by on the above if you come up with something remotely logical.
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