UKIP go from strength to strength

[classical_hero]

Getting more votes than anyone else isn't a popular mandate?

It is amazing how few people actually know the system. I remember when talking amongst friends and family that i was going to vote for a minor party, most people said I was throwing my vote away, whereas in Australia we have a preferential system so you can vote how you like know that your vote will still count should it not be the final to, since your votes goes eventually to one of the top two candidates.

 

[warpus]

You got confused between UKIP and the BNP? That's a massive oversight...

Would you ever confuse 2 Canadian political parties, especially if you don't really follow Canadian politics? Especially if on the surface they appear to have similar political views?

It's not like I have a habit of reading up on and staying informed on fringe political parties in other countries. But having said that, yeah, my bad.

 

[Quackers]

Would you ever confuse 2 Canadian political parties, especially if you don't really follow Canadian politics? Especially if on the surface they appear to have similar political views?

It's not like I have a habit of reading up on and staying informed on fringe political parties in other countries. But having said that, yeah, my bad.

There is no excuse Warpus. It's just a mistake on your part. Take it.

 

[Borachio]

I don't blame you at all, Mr Warpus. I've got major problems distinguishing between the two.

About the only difference is that UKIP moderate their language a bit. Sometimes. Not invariably.

 

[warpus]

At least I didn't confuse them with the Nazis or the libertarians.

 

[Tahuti]

I don't blame you at all, Mr Warpus. I've got major problems distinguishing between the two.

About the only difference is that UKIP moderate their language a bit. Sometimes. Not invariably.

UKIP = Well, we believe the EU is kinda bad!
BNP = Jews Zionists want to conquer the world!

It shouldn't be too hard...

 

[Borachio]

I don't ever remember overt anti-semitism from the BNP, though, since it's not a vote winner.

But no doubt it's there all right.

And it's not far beneath the surface of UKIP either. Probably.

 

[Tahuti]

I don't ever remember overt anti-semitism from the BNP, though, since it's not a vote winner.

But no doubt it's there all right.

And it's not far beneath the surface of UKIP either. Probably.

From what I know, the UKIP is a relatively Pro-Israel and Pro-Jewish. They also refrain from Islamophobia. I frankly think RESPECT more closely resembles the BNP in that regard than UKIP.

 

[metatron]

The point of FPTP isn't popular representation, although the suggestion that it is undemocratic is clearly absurd. FPTP is a system that is more likely to produce a strong government, since it does not need an overwhelming majority vote to put a majority party to power. It's the old toss up between democracy and capability in your elected representatives.

Effectiveness, you say?
Meanwhile the US Congress...

No, really, i'm not getting knee-deep into a voting system debate in an effin Ukip thread.
But let me tell you that depending on ones point of view the notion that fptp was undemocratic can be way less absurd:
Around here fptp is viewed by many consitutional scholars as outright unconstitutional. Because the Basic Law says that elections have to be - among other things - "equal".
They accept that you can skim a bit on that within limits but fptp is beyond those limits.

 

[Borachio]

From what I know, the UKIP is a relatively Pro-Israel and Pro-Jewish. They also refrain from Islamophobia. I frankly think RESPECT more closely resembles the BNP in that regard than UKIP.

Yeah. You may well be right.

My interest in the BNP, UKIP and RESPECT is marginal, to say the least.

And on a good day I might be able to identify a photograph of Cameron.

Milliband and Clegg, though, pretty much hit or miss for me. Uniform young(ish) guys. They all look alike.

As for what they might think... I'm not sure they know themselves.

 

[Arakhor]

The following is a general idea behind UKIPs ideas on immigration. They aren't deadset against it but they will make it far more difficult to enter. Under these conditions I think only people with a very high income can afford to settle. It will decimate our foreign student population.

So, UKIP not only want to destroy pretty much all immigration, they also want to devastate foreign investment in our universities and cripple tourism at the knees? Assuming your post is accurate, how do these lunatics ever expect to get elected?

 

[Traitorfish]

It's not that uncommon to confuse the BNP and UKIP. Why, a lot of BNP supporters make the same mistake, casting their ballot for UKIP, over and over again. The silly sausages.

 

[Borachio]

Look. Neither BNP nor UKIP party members are racists. They just say a lot of the same sort of things that racists might say. If they said anything.

Spoiler :

Mind you, we all do. Things like "Hello" and "What time is it, officer?"

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

So, UKIP not only want to destroy pretty much all immigration, they also want to devastate foreign investment in our universities and cripple tourism at the knees? Assuming your post is accurate, how do these lunatics ever expect to get elected?

It's always easier to blame your troubles on the Other. Jewish people, Irish people, and black people are now unavailable, so 'the EU' is a convenient scapegoat - foreign enough to be portrayed as alien, but not so foreign that attacking it appears racist, nor weak enough to plausibly claim victim status. Just don't mention the fact that M.Farage's family and career are only possible because of the EU.

 

[Quackers]

So, UKIP not only want to destroy pretty much all immigration, they also want to devastate foreign investment in our universities and cripple tourism at the knees? Assuming your post is accurate, how do these lunatics ever expect to get elected?

Clacton a week ago, Rochester in a month.

We're coming for you.

 

[Arakhor]

I meant into power, Quackers, and I'm sure you know that. Do please answer the question.

(Coming for me, though? Whatever gave you even the remotest impression that I was a Conservative?)

 

[Quackers]

I meant into power, Quackers, and I'm sure you know that. Do please answer the question.

(Coming for me, though? Whatever gave you even the remotest impression that I was a Conservative?)

Realistically, I think UKIP will never have an overall majority in parliament. Hopefully, it can drag this country into a more positive direction. We are better then this.

 

[Arakhor]

By 'this', you mean the quoted private insurance policies? If so, I agree with you. Anyone with any measure of political nous should be able to come up with less harmful policies than those.

 

[Traitorfish]

Realistically, I never think UKIP will have an overall majority in parliament. Hopefully, it can drag this country into a more positive direction. We are better then this.

If Enoch Powell couldn't pull it off, you really think that Lord Chinless has a shot?

 

[Truronian]

So why do you want the UK to leave the EU Quackers? Is it just the immigration thing, and is that one issue sufficient to counter all the negatives of leaving Europe in your opinion?