First off, don't vote with the new patch! Don't vote with your beers inside you, the patch has nothing to do with this thread! Second: "If you take away Nubia's civ ability, the extra xp and production towards ranged units, and only look at the unit itself the Pitati are much less impressive" Are you truly a dimwit? Then it would be the same implications to all other units. What a silly thing to say. Moderator Action: Do not troll other posters. Browd Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889 Eagle Warrior (Aztec) – 10 Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) – 18 Mamluk (Arabia) – 2 (5-3) Just not in the right era, but still an amazing unit. Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 40 War Cart (Sumer) – 34 ( 33+1) I know ppl loves the Pitati Archer, and so do I. But these guys can make more damage faster.