Up for an expansive game?
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pomthom
Drive & Reverb
I think trade network connections are bidirectional (if they have Sailing we can trade resources and GPT) but trade routes are not (if they have Sailing, they will benefit from foreign TRs to our cities but we won't from theirs)
I think what you refer to (connection within culture borders) works only for domestic TRs...
I think what you refer to (connection within culture borders) works only for domestic TRs...
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hi folks, good discussion, and nice round Folket 
I'll have a look at the save shortly 
I'll have a look at the save shortly
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Rusten's suggestion of settling 2W of cows seems cool... We can get some extra production from this city and sugar would be an added bonus. Uzbek can have enough food from the river (farms) and the rice.
Swoping research to PH also seems great. (that's agreeing more than anything
Most of the important things have been touched already 
) Then currency, trade for monarchy, col etc... (as mentionned 
) imo sailing for Ragnar's TRs can wait (some trade).micro: your plan looks great. make sure to focus on river if building cottages (non riverside are worthless, or very few), preferably on green tiles... As Rusten stressed, Yaso must produces its GS first, otherwise it's a lost investment, together with a big delay on the 2nd GS (with its missed trades, opportunities, etc... we really don't want to go that way).
I wouldn't join in any war for now. If Izzy looses a city, we can prolly discuss it
in doubt, build workers
(though we need one settler for northern blocking cow city, and we could use one for whale/Crabs in the south, down the road) Why not Troyan Horse?
Because they aren't french?
First thing to come when thinking at this city is "usefull crap"... not sure it qualifies as name though!
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
@Ras
I was referring to Troytheface
I was referring to Troytheface
pigswill
fly (one day)
The adjective of Troy (in english) is Trojan. Who said the english language made sense?
I'm wondering if we should rename our civ The Superior.
I hadn't noticed that Uzbek's cows were already roaded.
It probably makes sense to improve another fur before horses for another happy face.
Yaso will produce GS in 9 turns, Evidence's GS will be slightly delayed by regrowing after settler whip.
If no other comments I'll play in a few hours.
I'm wondering if we should rename our civ The Superior.
I hadn't noticed that Uzbek's cows were already roaded.
It probably makes sense to improve another fur before horses for another happy face.
Yaso will produce GS in 9 turns, Evidence's GS will be slightly delayed by regrowing after settler whip.
If no other comments I'll play in a few hours.
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
Yes yes I know, I was using the name Troy as in Troytheface. It was an intended pun lol
I think we can handle one more city. With the great library coming online and if you manage to get gold for PH we will have currency in four turns.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
@Ras
I was referring to Troytheface
That's totally me
The evidence is clear: I should give up humor or word games in english, I don't get a damn thing Good luck pigswill! (Folket is right, upkeep shouldn't be a problem provided you can get your hands on HC gold)
pigswill
fly (one day)
Played ?12 turns up to 250ad. Its not all bad, we're still alive and so is Isabella.....
525. Honey sez "please don't trade with that nasty Isabella" (he was less polite and implied that she supported herself by immoral earnings), we like 'interacting' with her and decline his request. However he's still willing to pay 65g for priesthood. The Evidence whips out a settler.
500. The settlers flee the Evidence in a generally northern direction. Maybe they're scared of the barbarian city of Khazak which has just been settled south of Trojan Horse.
475. Uzbek pops its borders. We get trade routes with Spain but Isabella clearly has issues with intimacy and becomes more 'cautious' than 'pleased' by the closeness of our borders.
450. We're in the money! Trade currency to Isabella for monarchy and 10g. Uzbek whips its granny (oops I meant 'granary'). Build wealth instead of research. CoL in 4. Isabella has a Great Prophet.
425. Rustenberg is founded. Isebella builds Temple of Solomon (Great Prophet>Great Profit). Isabella rejects our offers claiming "we fear your advances" or something like that.
400. All the cool kids are running HR so we join in. Honey is not a cool kid and is running despotism despite knowing about monarchy. Weird.
375. Anarchy subsides. I'm guessing Isabella's given Honey the cold shoulder, he wants us to declare war on her, we decline (again), he's obviously not her type (a common despot). He's annoyed with us for some reason.
350. Uneventful.
325. CoL is in, start on maths. Need it for music, CS and unblocking philo bulb and no-one's trading with us.
300. Amphibia gives birth to a great scientist: Kermit the Frog (honest!) who heads to the Evidence to make a name for himself. Amphibia starts a worker.
275. Now its Rag's turn to ask us to kill Isabella. He's not her type either, too horny. Again we decline. Kermit arrives in the Evidence and unable to make a meaningful scientific breakthrough (maths? no thanks) founds an Academy instead. Double whip worker in Amphibia.
250. Whip a library in Uzbek and a monument in Rustenberg just because I can.
That's it really. We've connected silver and another fur so our cities are a bit happier and have grown slightly, horses are almost done. I'm sure I haven't done too well with worker micro. Maths next turn. GS due in 7.
We've got 4/5 swords near Khazak. I'll let someone else work out how to get a lvl4 unit. Isabella has been holding her own against the northern Hindus and hasn't even lost a city.
Rags must be somewhere way up north:
Aaaarghhh. Khazaks!!!
Trade and diplo stuff:
Save:
525. Honey sez "please don't trade with that nasty Isabella" (he was less polite and implied that she supported herself by immoral earnings), we like 'interacting' with her and decline his request. However he's still willing to pay 65g for priesthood. The Evidence whips out a settler.
500. The settlers flee the Evidence in a generally northern direction. Maybe they're scared of the barbarian city of Khazak which has just been settled south of Trojan Horse.
475. Uzbek pops its borders. We get trade routes with Spain but Isabella clearly has issues with intimacy and becomes more 'cautious' than 'pleased' by the closeness of our borders.
450. We're in the money! Trade currency to Isabella for monarchy and 10g. Uzbek whips its granny (oops I meant 'granary'). Build wealth instead of research. CoL in 4. Isabella has a Great Prophet.
425. Rustenberg is founded. Isebella builds Temple of Solomon (Great Prophet>Great Profit). Isabella rejects our offers claiming "we fear your advances" or something like that.
400. All the cool kids are running HR so we join in. Honey is not a cool kid and is running despotism despite knowing about monarchy. Weird.
375. Anarchy subsides. I'm guessing Isabella's given Honey the cold shoulder, he wants us to declare war on her, we decline (again), he's obviously not her type (a common despot). He's annoyed with us for some reason.
350. Uneventful.
325. CoL is in, start on maths. Need it for music, CS and unblocking philo bulb and no-one's trading with us.
300. Amphibia gives birth to a great scientist: Kermit the Frog (honest!) who heads to the Evidence to make a name for himself. Amphibia starts a worker.
275. Now its Rag's turn to ask us to kill Isabella. He's not her type either, too horny. Again we decline. Kermit arrives in the Evidence and unable to make a meaningful scientific breakthrough (maths? no thanks) founds an Academy instead. Double whip worker in Amphibia.
250. Whip a library in Uzbek and a monument in Rustenberg just because I can.
That's it really. We've connected silver and another fur so our cities are a bit happier and have grown slightly, horses are almost done. I'm sure I haven't done too well with worker micro. Maths next turn. GS due in 7.
We've got 4/5 swords near Khazak. I'll let someone else work out how to get a lvl4 unit. Isabella has been holding her own against the northern Hindus and hasn't even lost a city.
Rags must be somewhere way up north:
Aaaarghhh. Khazaks!!!
Trade and diplo stuff:
Spoiler :
Save:
Well played.
We should build the national epic. The evidence makes sense to me with having the great library.
We should sell Isabella silver for suger or dye. Sell her Marble once NE is finished. Sell gold to Hyana for gpt.
If we get 40 EP on Hyana we can steal meditation.
Get a farm for Troyan Horse.
I think we should settle silver crab city now.
Fact should work hamlet when it is building wealth. Better multiplier and grows into village. (instead of mine)
We should build the national epic. The evidence makes sense to me with having the great library.
We should sell Isabella silver for suger or dye. Sell her Marble once NE is finished. Sell gold to Hyana for gpt.
If we get 40 EP on Hyana we can steal meditation.
Get a farm for Troyan Horse.
I think we should settle silver crab city now.
Fact should work hamlet when it is building wealth. Better multiplier and grows into village. (instead of mine)
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
Well played pigs and entertaining write up as usual
Will take a look and comment tonight or tomorrow morning (am I next?)
Will take a look and comment tonight or tomorrow morning (am I next?)
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Well done pigswill... yeah you are up pomthom! I ll comment asa i get home
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pomthom
Drive & Reverb
I'm happy with that
I was thinking: improve our Wine, then cancel the Fur deal and get Dye instead. Sugar we might get from culture war from Rustenberg, and if we need it sooner we'll trade it for Silver.
For Huyana GPT why not but it might be risky if he turns out to become Izzy's worst enemy. If we do the deal before he becomes worst enemy does that count to "You traded with our WE"?
Don't know, getting out a Spy just for that seems meh.
Sure.
Which spot?
Spoiler :
Agree.
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Tech-wise I'm thinking finish Maths, overflow into Meditation +finish Meditation (prolly 1 turn), set slider to 0% and accumulate some Gold to tech CS in 1 shot (if Izzy doesn't go there first).
When GS arrives, bulb Philo.
Builds: NE in The Evidence, Settler in Fact for Crab/Silver (Whip 8->5)?
Also what to do with the southern barb city of Kharsk? Has it grown to size 2 yet?
Spoiler :
If not I think we should wait to prevent autoraze.
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Looks good. I haven't had a chance to open save yet but I will do so later today and post.
with the -berg affix, you know your norwegian grammar 
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I have already removed it anyway since it's annoying as hell (alerts every 30 sec)
Not much to add, except I would grow cities since we have room under happy cap (work farms before cottages in cap).
I have no preference for the crab/silver spots: same number of weak hills so...
About the reamining barb city I am not sure. It misses the whale but it's a weak ressource anyway. Not sure we want to waste a settler to get it
The rest looks pretty straightforward.
About the 10 days to come: who will be available to play? I am not sure I will yet, since I will spend a lot of time on the road and with family. Let me know about your availability
Not much to add, except I would grow cities since we have room under happy cap (work farms before cottages in cap).
I have no preference for the crab/silver spots: same number of weak hills so...
About the reamining barb city I am not sure. It misses the whale but it's a weak ressource anyway. Not sure we want to waste a settler to get it
The rest looks pretty straightforward.
About the 10 days to come: who will be available to play? I am not sure I will yet, since I will spend a lot of time on the road and with family. Let me know about your availability
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
Should be able to play tomorrow if the team signs off on our next objectives.
After that I'll be available after the 26th probably
After that I'll be available after the 26th probably
I have high availability.
As for spies. I just want people to be aware of the possibility. I does not seem bad for me. But it might be better to just trade for it.
Trading with Isabella is a lot about improving relations. We want to get the +2 from supplying resources as fast as possible.
As for spies. I just want people to be aware of the possibility. I does not seem bad for me. But it might be better to just trade for it.
Trading with Isabella is a lot about improving relations. We want to get the +2 from supplying resources as fast as possible.
I'm unavailable to play 22nd -> 28th. I will sign in here sporadically during that time, but I can't open saves/play.
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Don't have much to add, your plan looks good and the next step is clear-cut.
Just grow cities as much as possible and improve the land.
Make sure to adopt bureaucracy+pacifism in 1 go -- saves anarchy.
Spy still not worth it for me.
In the future it's worth considering a GA to drop out of buddhism for 5 turns and trade with Ragnar/Huayna during it. For now only a possibility -- it depends on how things go. I also see now that Huayna has finally adopted HR so this might be completely unnecessary -- we can bring him back to cautious.
Oh and don't worry about worst enemy for the GPT, make the trade -- we want this gold.
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Don't have much to add, your plan looks good and the next step is clear-cut.
Just grow cities as much as possible and improve the land.
Make sure to adopt bureaucracy+pacifism in 1 go -- saves anarchy.
Spy still not worth it for me.
In the future it's worth considering a GA to drop out of buddhism for 5 turns and trade with Ragnar/Huayna during it. For now only a possibility -- it depends on how things go. I also see now that Huayna has finally adopted HR so this might be completely unnecessary -- we can bring him back to cautious.
Oh and don't worry about worst enemy for the GPT, make the trade -- we want this gold.
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