Aleksey_aka_al
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US military administration did their job good. Really. Big game.
US and Poland sign missile shield deal
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Actually, Czechoslovakia and Poland should be grateful for being in Warsaw Pact. This system (when Europe was divide by two powerfull entities) prevented peace for rather long time. Now, when world order is crumbling, I do not give even two cents for Czech independence. I will not be surprised, if Austro-Hungarian Empire will rise again.
Right, we should be grateful for the 40 years of oppression, exploitation and humiliation from the Russians. We should be grateful for being isolated from the democratic Western Europe. Wonderful
In case you haven't noticed: nobody wants you here in Central Europe. We want nothing from Russia, she has done enough evil here already. We especially don't want any Russian "protection" from some non-existent German threat.
Aleksey_aka_al
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Putin has said Russia need another land grab. Poland is destined to be annexed now.
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Your jokes are becoming kinda lame...
Aleksey_aka_al
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Yeah, as much as your views.
Thorbal
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Snorrius
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Actually, as far as I remember, you did the best from all other communist countries in terms of economy. Also, during this time you have built strong industry. Isolation from Western Europe meant that you had no competition from such industry powers as Germany.Right, we should be grateful for the 40 years of oppression, exploitation and humiliation from the Russians. We should be grateful for being isolated from the democratic Western Europe. Wonderful
Watch out for Poles
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Snorrius
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It is time to restore Russian Empire.
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Or will he be Comrade Putin?
Aleksey_aka_al
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Velikiy Knyaz vseya Mira Vladimir II the Putin
joshhh
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Nay. You can call Putin იოსებ სტალინი2.
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Relatively speaking. We'd have done much better without Moscow-enforced socialism, centralized economy, RVHP and other monstrosities.
Correction: we have had a strong industry long before the Russian-imported communism took roots here. During Austria-Hungary, Czech lands provided 4/5 of Austrian industrial production.
Communists exploited, milked and gradually destroyed our industrial might. They were much worse than the Nazis, who at least understood that they need the industry working (for their needs). Now we're trying to recover what was left.
Yeah, and look where the lack of competition has brought us
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Aleksey_aka_al
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They will call him like this in Georgian Province of Mir.
Exactly. Do you see where is Germany and where we are? During cold war we fell behind western europe, even behind southern europe...
Watch out for Poles
We are currently negotiating personal union with Georgia, so thank you, but we obviously "have too much on our hands right now"
Though if you consider finally trading Fission or Stealth...
In terms of economy, you gotta love how Hungarians with their climate and land screaming "agriculture, chemical industry, more agriculture!" were forced to develop soon-obsolete uber-heavy industry just because it was ideologically correct
The story of whole Eastern Europe...
This certainly appears to be the case. "Kremlin angered by Polish Missile Deal" as a headline doesn't carry the same weight when "Kremlin orders further push into Georgia" is next to it.
woody60707
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International law
And who gets to make International law? I don't remember voting for any International government. I don't remember there being a amendment to the US Constitution saying that the US government or the US Constitution it's self is superseded by any higher power.
You mean International treaties? Sure,.. umm maybe. The UN hasn't passed any resolution saying it was illegal. Nor have any (world) courts ruled the war illegal, see Legality of the Iraq War
Now the UN did pass resolution 1483 which some see as the UN legitimizing the war.
Now I do believe the war to be illegal. The US congress never declared war on Iraq. I just don't buy this magical International law argument that somehow supersedes the US Constitution in the US.
"Those fears were codified to some degree in what Polish and American officials characterized as unusual aspects of the final deal: that at least temporarily American soldiers would staff air defense sites in Poland oriented toward Russia"-Winner
Correction we do not want anything temporary, we have rejected the proposal of a rotating sam missile site where it would travel to poland from germany back and forth, the polish govt is trying to get at least 3-4 of them but even if we get just one it will still have to be permanent, plus i doubt tat the polish govt had said tat those missiles will be directly to defend poland from russia it would be very stupid if they did, any way russia is just using the missile base(not the patriots) to fuel its political propaganda and its totally unjustified and yes that is exactly why poland wants to have permanent patriots in our countries, americans tend to fallow the ideology of no men left behind, if their soldiers are being attacked and they even have a "mutual protection pact" with the countrie their in im pretty sure they would not pull back but rather send reinforcement asap
btw could u explain to me the joke Watch out for Poles i totally dont get it
Correction we do not want anything temporary, we have rejected the proposal of a rotating sam missile site where it would travel to poland from germany back and forth, the polish govt is trying to get at least 3-4 of them but even if we get just one it will still have to be permanent, plus i doubt tat the polish govt had said tat those missiles will be directly to defend poland from russia it would be very stupid if they did, any way russia is just using the missile base(not the patriots) to fuel its political propaganda and its totally unjustified and yes that is exactly why poland wants to have permanent patriots in our countries, americans tend to fallow the ideology of no men left behind, if their soldiers are being attacked and they even have a "mutual protection pact" with the countrie their in im pretty sure they would not pull back but rather send reinforcement asap
btw could u explain to me the joke Watch out for Poles i totally dont get it
Thorbal
not enough ram!
International law
And who gets to make International law? I don't remember voting for any International government. I don't remember there being a amendment to the US Constitution saying that the US government or the US Constitution it's self is superseded by any higher power.
You mean International treaties? Sure,.. umm maybe. The UN hasn't passed any resolution saying it was illegal. Nor have any (world) courts ruled the war illegal, see Legality of the Iraq War
Now the UN did pass resolution 1483 which some see as the UN legitimizing the war.
Now I do believe the war to be illegal. The US congress never declared war on Iraq. I just don't buy this magical International law argument that somehow supersedes the US Constitution in the US.
1) Resolution 1483 did not legalize the invasion per se. It said that the Coalition was the de facto government at that time so it could effectively manage the administration of Iraq to minimize further losses by granting them the appropriate rights.
2) The US signed the UN Charter -> pacta sunt servanda principle. So it is not required for you to vote on it. The US government at that time was legally elected and had the power to sign the charter, which is an internationally binding treaty.
3) A single nation or group of nations does not have the authority to enforce resolutions on its own. It absolutely needs permission by the Security Council to use force.
4) Of course the US can´t be dragged before the ICC, I agree there. Because the US didn´t sign the ICC statute in the first place, so they are not subject to it. Additionally, the Iraq invasion is NOT a war crime (which is what the ICC is for), please don´t get me wrong. But the US IS subject to the ICJ, if someone decided to accuse the US. Which nobody will do, I suppose.
5) The UN DID pass a resolution banning the use of force without permission by the security council, in addition to 2.4 -> the Friendly Relations Declaration, which counts as codified customary law.
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