US 'death squad' operating in Afghanistan

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/29/us-military-investigates-5th-stryker-brigade

The US military is investigating the leadership of an army brigade whose soldiers are accused of running a "kill team" that murdered Afghan civilians, as further evidence emerges of widespread complicity in the deaths.

A brigadier general is conducting a "top to bottom" review of the 5th Stryker brigade after five of its soldiers were committed for trial early next year charged with involvement in the murders of three Afghans and other alleged crimes including mutilating their bodies, and collecting fingers and skulls from corpses as trophies.

Among the issues under investigation is the failure of commanders to intervene when the alleged crimes were apparently widely spoken about among soldiers.

Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, the alleged leader of what prosecutors have characterised as a death squad based in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan, is accused of planning the alleged murders in which civilians were killed with hand grenades and guns and their deaths made to appear to be legitimate battlefield casualties. Gibbs, 26, has denied three charges of murder and other crimes.

Four other soldiers are charged with involvement in at least one of the three murders over a five-month period this year. They include an army specialist, Adam Winfield, whose lawyer has released a Facebook chat between the soldier and his father, Christopher, that suggests many other soldiers in the brigade approved of the killings.

In the chat, Winfield says he is troubled by one murder by other members of his unit. "Some innocent guy about my age just farming. They made it look like the guy threw a grenade and them and mowed him down ... Everyone pretty much knows it was staged. If I say anything it's my word against everyone. There's no one in this platoon that agrees this was wrong. They all don't care."

Later in the chat, Winfield wrote: "Everyone just wants to kill people at any cost. They don't care. The Army is full of a bunch of scumbags I realized."

Winfield's father contacted the military to warn it about the killings. His son later admitted to firing his gun towards a third Afghan who was allegedly murdered two months later. Winfield later told investigators in videotaped interviews shown at a pre-trial hearing that Gibbs formed the "kill team".

Another soldier, Jeremy Morlock, who faces a court martial for alleged involvement in all three murders, has also accused Gibbs of organising the killings.

"Gibbs had pure hatred for all Afghanis and constantly referred to them as savages," said Morlock.

Seven other soldiers are charged with lesser crimes, including drug use, collecting body parts as souvenirs and covering up the killings. Gibbs is alleged to have kept finger bones, leg bones and a tooth from Afghan corpses. Another soldier is said to have collected a human skull.

Some of the soldiers are also accused of taking a photograph posing next to one of the corpses as if it were hunted game. The military has so far declined to offer the pictures in evidence out of concern they would be more generally released and prompt a backlash against US troops in Afghanistan.

Earlier this month, one of the accused soldiers, Staff Sergeant Robert Stevens, reached a plea bargain with prosecutors in which he was convicted of aggravated assault over two killings and sentenced to nine months in prison after agreeing to testify against 10 other members of his unit. He also pleaded guilty to lying about these crimes and to dereliction of duty.

Stevens had faced charges that carried up to 19 years in prison.

Gruesome stuff, eh? Anyone know anymore about this story? I can't find much on it
 
Its old news, there is a thread somewhere around here from several months ago.
 
war brings out the best in people

seems pretty isolated though - from my experience, the army is not full of "scumbags", not any more than the rest of society
 
Its five out of over a million who have served over there. I dare Switzerland to do better.
 
Death squads?

Isn't that what a military is anyway?
 
funny how the existence of an american death squad can become a source of pride for someone because... There is only one death squad. In a minor war, as that peeson repeatedly tells us
 
Anyone directly involved is guilty of murder, and deserves capital punishment, just like any common killer. Anybody indirectly involved deserves life.

With great power comes great responsibility. Like God, they have the power to decide what lives and what dies. Unlike God, however, they have a higher power to answer to: the commanders and the People.
 
Execute all directly involved, give life to all who confess and all who passively participated.

With great power comes great responsibility. Like God, they have the power to decide what lives and what dies. Unlike God, however, they have a higher power to answer to: the commanders and the People.

I never thought I'd ever see the [yanks] compared with God.

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I never thought I'd ever see the septics compared with God.

I wasn't aware calling Americans "septics" was allowed within the rules.

Soldiers have God's power over life and death invested in their hands. They are trusted to use it responsibly... and should be severely punished when they misuse it.
 
I wasn't aware calling Americans "septics" was allowed within the rules.

Soldiers have God's power over life and death invested in their hands. They are trusted to use it responsibly... and should be severely punished when they misuse it.

Cockney rhyming slang: septic tank = yank. Unless that contravenes the foreign languages rule, I suppose...

Not saying I disagree with the broad sentiment. I do however disagree with the death penalty, completely, and especially in this sort of situation, and would also raise the importance of making sure that no verdict is given out which will cause soldiers to fear prosecution if they carry out their duties in the normal manner, which sometimes involves accidentally injuring or killing civillians.
 
Cockney rhyming slang: septic tank = yank. Unless that contravenes the foreign languages rule, I suppose...

I don't think calling someone a septic tank is exactly flattering... :p

would also raise the importance of making sure that no verdict is given out which will cause soldiers to fear prosecution if they carry out their duties in the normal manner, which sometimes involves accidentally injuring or killing civillians.

Well of course. Intent is what's important, most of all. Accidents happen. But if you can prove a soldier has intentionally murdered civilians for no reason other than that they could, by all means, punish him to the maximum extent allowed by his country's laws - death penalty over here and life imprisonment elsewhere.
 
funny how the existence of an american death squad can become a source of pride for someone because... There is only one death squad. In a minor war, as that peeson repeatedly tells us

Was it a state sponsored death squad?

Or a small group of rogue soldiers committing warcrimes?

I think we know the answer to that. And that answer should matter to everyone.
 
Was it a state sponsored death squad?

Or a small group of rogue soldiers committing warcrimes?

I think we know the answer to that. And that answer should matter to everyone.

Well Obama is the next Hitler.
 
Argumentum Ad FriendlyFire.

When did MobBoss ever say Obama was the next Hitler? (Hint: the answer is not "at some point.")

When I say Hitler I mean the anti-christ
 
So, the pictures of these evil crimes have emerged. If the US military executes these vermin I'll be glad. People who hunt and kill children for sport are not really human.
 
Anyone directly involved is guilty of murder, and deserves capital punishment, just like any common killer. Anybody indirectly involved deserves life.

With great power comes great responsibility. Like God, they have the power to decide what lives and what dies. Unlike God, however, they have a higher power to answer to: the commanders and the People.

I thought you opposed Capital Punishment?

So, the pictures of these evil crimes have emerged. If the US military executes these vermin I'll be glad. People who hunt and kill children for sport are not really human.

And I thought you were as well?

And I don't agree that they aren't human. They are still human. Their lives should be forfeit however.
 
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