Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Another possibility is that it could have been a retaliation for past rebel sarin attacks which got out of hand.
Use of Chemical Weapons in Syria
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DemonicAppleGuY
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Defined literally. I highly doubt a single American soul would enter Syria.
And I have some doubts that an American would be found in Syria's airspace either. God gave us cruise missiles for a reason!
The sad part is that if Syria had notable amounts of oil or was near an American city, the population would all be for intervention. But, given that there's little to no oil there, everyone's saying "none of our business". It's our luxuries we crave, not the survival of fellow members of our species.
Or maybe if Syria flew a plane into one of our buildings, killing a number of our people that's merely a fraction of the Syrians that are dying now? But then the population would be into it for the wrong reasons, for pure retaliation. Ah well.
Or maybe if Syria flew a plane into one of our buildings, killing a number of our people that's merely a fraction of the Syrians that are dying now? But then the population would be into it for the wrong reasons, for pure retaliation. Ah well.
Oh, of course! Which is why the Army invaded Mexico to destroy the cartels, and why the Chair Force is carpet-bombing rebel forces in Nigeria.
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Not to mention the "surge" of US troops into the Congo and the US's triumphant march through Uzbekistan to take over their natural gas supplies.
We can do this all day, Defiant47. Don't make claims that are unsupportable by the current evidence. It makes you look like John Kerry, and no one wants that.
DemonicAppleGuY
King
Basically what Baal and Dachs said.
Yeah, there was this one time a lady dropped her cereal box beside me while I was grocery shopping. I didn't help, even though I was already bent over to grab some of my own cereal. To this day, this event proves that I am not, in fact, committed to benevolence.
There's also the fact that I only work 40-60 hour weeks, and volunteer occasionally. But where am I when the Fukushima disaster needs support? Where am I when the recent hurricane hit the US? Still here, in Ontario, wallowing in my own selfishness. Further proof that my commitment benevolence is a farce.
*whoosh*
You made a claim, it is provably false. Do not try and muddy the waters just because you got caught with your pants down when attempting to use an appeal to emotion in place of logic. At least Reverend Pickens had the decency to jump out the whorehouse window with his pants around his ankles.
Formaldehyde
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While I also disagree with Defiant in this matter, his opinions are hardly "provably false". What a completely absurd comment to make merely because someone disagrees with your personal opinions.
Ooookay. That was weird.
Look, these things aren't small exceptions to an overall rule that generally tends to hold. They're exceptions that make the so-called "rule" look like it barely applies at all. Nobody's denying that natural resources or the safety of a country's nationals play some role in decision-making. But there's so much else involved that reducing policy to "oil and tourists" is silly, and doesn't fit the facts.
You're complaining about how Syria supposedly doesn't get attention from people because it's not as sexy a story as Libya (with its oil reserves) or Iraq (with its oil reserves) or Afghanistan (because, uh, 9/11?). To me, this is kind of silly, since Syria coverage is all over the place now, whereas you still can barely find anything on the still-ongoing Congo wars (the bloodiest conflicts since 1945, taking place in one of the richest mining areas in the world), and Darfur remains an item of periodic coverage and mild disapproval and little else.
This doesn't mean that people shouldn't care about the Syrian civil war and the humanitarian disaster that it's become, simply because there are other humanitarian disasters out there. Solving one of those disasters is better than solving none of them, as far as I'm concerned. So I'd say that a lot of the stuff in that response of yours was directed at the wrong person.
Also, I think your news cycle needs updating if stories like Fukushima and Hurricane Sandy are "recent".
ReindeerThistle
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Fukushima is still in the news because the radioactivity is still spiking -- at least as of 9/1/13.
Sandy is still relevant because tens thousands are still displaced -- while the casinos were up and running in AC in days. My people all over the Eastern Seaboard are getting legal requests because FEMA is trying to garnish people's wages and bank accounts for grants they received, which FEMA turned to loans.
Did I forget the people on Long Island who had their power "preventively" shut off by Long Island Power Authority -- even though they did not suffer storm damage -- AND THEN GOT CHARGED $500 RECONNECT FEES TO GET THEIR POWER RESTORED!
There was no accounting for the losses suffered by many in the low-income and middle income workin class neighborhoods in Brooklyn who were denied FEMA assistance because they had flood insurance, and denied flood insurance because it was a "surge," not a flood.
Yes, 10 months on and we are still doing disaster relief for Sandy victims.
But, still, go ahead and spend $300 million launching cruise missiles, because every stupid thing the US does puts a dozen new commies on our member roles.
Mwahahahahahahahaha!
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Edit: we also had medical response teams, food snd clothing supplies in the disaster areas before the government. We have also been doing mold abatement for people who can't afford it. All volunteer.
Sandy is still relevant because tens thousands are still displaced -- while the casinos were up and running in AC in days. My people all over the Eastern Seaboard are getting legal requests because FEMA is trying to garnish people's wages and bank accounts for grants they received, which FEMA turned to loans.
Did I forget the people on Long Island who had their power "preventively" shut off by Long Island Power Authority -- even though they did not suffer storm damage -- AND THEN GOT CHARGED $500 RECONNECT FEES TO GET THEIR POWER RESTORED!
There was no accounting for the losses suffered by many in the low-income and middle income workin class neighborhoods in Brooklyn who were denied FEMA assistance because they had flood insurance, and denied flood insurance because it was a "surge," not a flood.
Yes, 10 months on and we are still doing disaster relief for Sandy victims.
But, still, go ahead and spend $300 million launching cruise missiles, because every stupid thing the US does puts a dozen new commies on our member roles.
Mwahahahahahahahaha!
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Edit: we also had medical response teams, food snd clothing supplies in the disaster areas before the government. We have also been doing mold abatement for people who can't afford it. All volunteer.
Okay, I have literally not heard a single person make that argument against intervention. So either you are presenting a serious strawman to argue against, or you are extremely paranoid about the 'message behind the words' so to speak when people argue against intervention.
It is just a simple fact of human nature that we are going to care more about those we know more than those who are strangers to us. A lot of people are either related to or are friends with someone in the military and I'm sure they argue against intervention because they don't want to see their loved one die for a war with questionable causes.
You have also, in my opinion, failed to make a convincing case as to why we absolutely need to step in on behalf of the Syrian people. All you are really doing in this thread is making vague appeals to sentimental morality and painting those who oppose your view as selfish people who are only opposed to intervention because of their own greed (which of course is not true seeing as no one has seriously argued against intervention so they can keep their luxurious life). I mean, I really do not know where you are coming from on this one Defiant.
Rashiminos
Fool Prophet
Defined literally. I highly doubt a single American soul would enter Syria.
And I have some doubts that an American would be found in Syria's airspace either. God gave us cruise missiles for a reason!
Then the likelihood of boots on the ground is guaranteed.
In the midst of a self-righteous and indignant rant, bragging ensues.
Defiant is fine in imputing these dual motives to some people some of time. If it might be appropriate to do it to other people at other times, he seems to have a blind spot or other inconsistency in this regard.
I'm not so sure it's a fact so much as it is tradition.
hobbsyoyo
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So what....people think we didn't help with Fukushima? I seem to remember the US deploying naval assets offshore and offering all the assistance that the Japanese wanted. They didn't want any but that doesn't mean we didn't put forth an offer.
Perhaps I should apologize for such blatant use of satire. I apologize for being disingenuous. Yes, that does sound like a cop-out. But it was executed to prove a point.
I have heard multiple people make the argument that we shouldn't intervene because we have nothing to gain, or because we have no business being there, or because we don't want to waste taxpayer money on missiles or risk American lives. If any of these are a deal-breaker on its own for segments of the population, then my satire fully applies to that segment.
I have heard multiple people make the argument that we shouldn't intervene because we have nothing to gain, or because we have no business being there, or because we don't want to waste taxpayer money on missiles or risk American lives. If any of these are a deal-breaker on its own for segments of the population, then my satire fully applies to that segment.
ReindeerThistle
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My argument from jump street is that no one gains, except the people who make Tomahawks.
Our troops have captured former members of the band Loverboy, as well as Gordon Lightfoot.
Please tell us the whereabouts of Bieber or we will use hair gel against you.
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Our troops have captured former members of the band Loverboy, as well as Gordon Lightfoot.
Please tell us the whereabouts of Bieber or we will use hair gel against you.
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There are moments in the night, laying in bed, when I wonder... "what if a group of military men does come to my door and start looking for Bieber paraphernalia? I can't be 100% sure my computer never downloaded a Bieber picture".
ReindeerThistle
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Guilty. I DLed the "Somebody to Love" vid because the dancing. But that hdd bit the dust in 2011.
I am safe.
We have found former members of the bands Toronto and April Wine, they have joined our expedition. We have now added Michael Buble, Robin Thicke and CarlyRae Jepsen to our Most Wanted List.
Cooperate and Anne Murray goes free.
Attn Aussies: we have your number, too. Ben Lee will not go free.
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ReindeerThistle
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As long as we can keep our Celine Dion, go to town
She's in Las Vegas...
On topic: Since we have the massive pullout of France and Brirain -- and even Egypt ( set to possibly receive $12 billion in Saudi Aid) against action. Who exactly gains?
NB: friend of mine shared a photo on FB: "I did not join the Navy to fight for Al Queda in a Syrian civil war."
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