No Poland, no Brazil; replace Catherine de Medicis with Louis XIV; replace Gandhi with literally anyone else--Joan of Arc for all I care--just replace him; replace Afonso with Nzinga; replace Peter the Great with Catherine the Great; replace Victoria with Elizabeth (yes, I know we already knew about Victoria); and Inca and Haida can take Poland and Brazil's slots. That said, I'm ecstatic about Barbarossa, Scythia, no Alexander, no Napoleon, a non-Julian emperor of Rome, and if B5 does turn out to be Tamar of Georgia I'll be ecstatic about that too. And I'm quite pleased about Sumer, as well. So overall I'd describe my reaction to the list at present as "mixed"; if I were limited to only one change, however, it would be ditching Brazil and replacing it with Haida.
Just saying, but Nzinga never actually ruled Kongo itself. She would probably be a more interesting choice than Afonso but it'd be like having Ramkhamhaeng ruling the Khmer. I know Firaxis don't always depict civs in the most historically accurate way but I don't think they'd give a nation the leader of a totally different one.
Just saying, but Nzinga never actually ruled Kongo itself. She would probably be a more interesting choice than Afonso but it'd be like having Ramkhamhaeng ruling the Khmer. I know Firaxis don't always depict civs in the most historically accurate way but I don't think they'd give a nation the leader of a totally different one.
To be honest, I have no strong interest in what Subsaharan African civilization is included or who its ruler is, but of what little I've read Nzinga sounds more interesting than Afonso. It's certainly the least of the complaints I listed and the one I'm soonest reconciled to.
There was more then 18 civ/leaders on that board. Either they plan on adding more civs before release. Or some of the revealed civs are slated for later expansion packs.
There was more then 18 civ/leaders on that board. Either they plan on adding more civs before release. Or some of the revealed civs are slated for later expansion packs.
I understand what you're saying, but (in my opinion) they can't separate out one of the civilizations as a preorder bonus and then still claim that it's a part of the base game. That's dirty pool. They said that the game will have 18 civilizations at release; if the number is really 17 unless you preorder, then that means they lied.
I understand what you're saying, but (in my opinion) they can't separate out one of the civilizations as a preorder bonus and then still claim that it's a part of the base game. That's dirty pool. They said that the game will have 18 civilizations at release; if the number is really 17 unless you preorder, then that means they lied.
I understand what you're saying, but (in my opinion) they can't separate out one of the civilizations as a preorder bonus and then still claim that it's a part of the base game. That's dirty pool. They said that the game will have 18 civilizations at release; if the number is really 17 unless you preorder, then that means they lied.
I see your reading of it, but I would disagree its dirty pool. They said the base game would have 18 and that would be true. I don't see how incentivizing someone to preorder (which is an important industry metric nowadays) is all that bad. Especially when preordering is simple, easy, and can be done up to a minute before the actual release.
I understand what you're saying, but (in my opinion) they can't separate out one of the civilizations as a preorder bonus and then still claim that it's a part of the base game. That's dirty pool. They said that the game will have 18 civilizations at release; if the number is really 17 unless you preorder, then that means they lied.
I do agree with you that it would be somewhat dubious for them to withhold content (even temporarily) from people who chose not to preorder the game. However, just because a piece of content is locked away does not mean it isn't present in the game at launch - they technically wouldn't be lying by saying 'the game will ship with 18 civs' even if they aren't all immediately available to everyone. I would like to think that the Aztecs are in addition to the base 18 civs, but as of yet there is no official statement confirming that. Several people have asked (on Twitter, the 2k forums, etc.) but there has been no reply thus far, which seems kind of weird to me if the answer is 'there are 18 civs + Aztecs' - because wouldn't you want to share the fact that people could be able to have additional civs in their game on day 1? Maybe I'm just being unfairly sceptical though.
I see your reading of it, but I would disagree its dirty pool. They said the base game would have 18 and that would be true. I don't see how incentivizing someone to preorder (which is an important industry metric nowadays) is all that bad. Especially when preordering is simple, easy, and can be done up to a minute before the actual release.
WTH? Proof it would be a lie in the hypothetical we are discussing?
They said 18 civs in the base game. Ed said that.
IF and that's what we're talking about, IF they count Aztecs as one of the 18 then those who buy the game immediately after release have a base game of 17 civs.
WTH? Proof it would be a lie in the hypothetical we are discussing?
They said 18 civs in the base game. Ed said that.
IF and that's what we're talking about, IF they count Aztecs as one of the 18 then those who buy the game immediately after release have a base game of 17 civs.
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