Maybe so but I wouldn't know what to do differently... Universities takes about 6 to 8 rounds to make. In this particular scenario I was swarmed by raging barbarians up till this point. So a lot of time went to making units and repairing tiles. I couldn't get new cities quick enough and I couldn't get my workers to the cities, coz when I start to make roads their cavalry came and took my men. I must admit even with Raging Barbarians on, I felt there was quite a lot of powerful barbarians for a Warlord scenario.
Vox Populi very very hard after update?
- Thread starter Soren L
- Start date
-
- Tags
- civ5 hard help vox populi
Ok, so I guess that's the culprit, that barbarians cripple you so much. Try to play with standard barbarians or even no barbarians at all and see result.
Grabbl
Prince
- Joined
- May 25, 2016
- Messages
- 431
On warlord, barbarians are even harder because the AI has less starting units and can't wipe them out so easily. So you most probably don't have a choice but focus on military early on and rush horsemen (or at least spearmen). And where does your unhappiness come from? That's the main problem, I would guess.
ElliotS
Warmonger
Also I would disable the extra mods. Building Upgrade System will definitely throw off balance, trading posts into towns one might. Naval warfare one might be fine, but why are you modding something you've never really tried? I haven't looked into it, but that's a possible conflict if it was made for an older version.
Lastly as mentioned you've just got really low yields. If barbarians are such a problem for you, why enable raging barbarians?
Learn the fundamentals before you start getting tricky with it. Play standard map size, standard pace, normal options (tech trading vs research agreements optional) Turn off events (no need for more complexity or randomness) do a continents or Pangaea map and grab a balanced but good civ like Poland or Celts.
Lastly as mentioned you've just got really low yields. If barbarians are such a problem for you, why enable raging barbarians?
Learn the fundamentals before you start getting tricky with it. Play standard map size, standard pace, normal options (tech trading vs research agreements optional) Turn off events (no need for more complexity or randomness) do a continents or Pangaea map and grab a balanced but good civ like Poland or Celts.
Na na na na nana na, na na na na nana. Gettin tricky with it.
Firstly I've played the Steam Community patch for a long time. It's very different from this downloaded one with balance and EUI. After a while playing the old one, and winning, I added Naval warfare which is a nice mod. I've played with that for months. And it works with new VP. Same with Upgrade buildings and Growing towns. Couldn't imagine Civ5 without them.
Mostly it comes down to the raging barbarians and I've disabled them in my next game. Seems to be going better. Also it's an Island map playing as China.
I did not know this. Thanks for the info!
Put a different way, it's not terribly fair (or valid) to complain about VP's balance or difficulty if you're not playing VP that way it was intended to be played. Just saying.
G
Well, I've tried it 3 times now. Total vanilla VP. Dosen't change much. Still too hard to play. Latest: Warlord, large map, large islands. Things are going fairly okay until suddenly everyone decide to wage war on me. Everyone!!! Somehow one civ can change city states over with a snap on your fingers, For me it takes 3 to 4 diplomats. That means I fight most of city states as well. Just impossible.
This mod is defo not suited my playing style. So I'm done with it. Nice try guys. Better luck next time...
This mod is defo not suited my playing style. So I'm done with it. Nice try guys. Better luck next time...
tu_79
Deity
1. City State quests give tons of influence.
2. Great Diplomats are better than 3 diplomats.
3. Spies can do coups d'etat.
Any of those turn a city state into an ally in one turn.
Not everyone likes honey, even when it's tasty and healthy. You'll understand that we won't miss unconstructive criticism.
ElliotS
Warmonger
A loss we'll still be reeling from for years to come...
Blue Ghost
King
- Joined
- Sep 5, 2016
- Messages
- 710
Vox Populi definitely isn’t for everyone, and there’s nothing wrong with not liking it. No need to put down someone who tried it out in good faith and decided it wasn’t for them. I’m seeing a lot of hostility in the community toward outsiders, and that should not be the case.
Iamblichos
Prince
I don’t really get it. Why wouldn’t VP for everyone, no less for everyone who loves Civ. Why would you find it fun clicking through a game and not be challenged in some way?
Deadstarre
Expert
I used to like it, but when the Guerrillas on Penicillin got a name change to Mercenaries, everything just stopped making sense for me. #HiredKillersGetUTIsToo
ashendashin
King
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2016
- Messages
- 989
I'm not sure about good faith. He immediately talked about quitting after people tried getting a better idea of his play.
At this point I think it's just people that aren't willing to leave the vanilla mindset.
No idea why people are so obsessed over the single playstyle over all approach, but they often act like the Community Patch isn't a thing and just dismiss all of VP as a waste of time for whatever reason.
Blue Ghost
King
- Joined
- Sep 5, 2016
- Messages
- 710
Could be that they’re comfortable with vanilla Civ and don’t want to make drastic readjustments.
Could be that they want a more casual game that lets them relax rather than have to be on their toes all the time.
Could be that learning all the nuances of Vox Populi is daunting, and it’s not comfortable to play a strategy game where you don’t know what you’re doing.
Could be that they feel Vox Populi is over engineered, and one or more of the many new features are unfun, arbitrary or unnecessary.
Could be that they don’t want to give up on all the other mods out there, many of which are very high quality and only a tiny fraction are compatible and balanced with Vox Populi.
Could be the elitism of the fan base.
I personally love Vox Populi, but I’m not going to pretend that it’s perfect and can do no wrong. There are many legitimate reasons for people to want to stick to vanilla Civ.
ashendashin
King
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2016
- Messages
- 989
1. Yup, that's the most common one.
2. VP provides that, in my opinion. Lower difficulties can be cruised through just fine. You can always get extra mods and set things to your favor otherwise.
3. Arguably, VP is a lot harder to learn if you're used to vanilla. I honestly doubt it's as bad otherwise. Except for those that typically prefer having a tutorial and such. I wonder if a tutorial scenario would be possible?
4. Fair, these things do get pointed out sometimes, but the annoying thing is that it's often in comparison to vanilla, which is supposed to get dropped.
5. Also fair.
6. Unfair. People always try to help new guys out and it's not like there's many of us here. I suppose it's possible to get that air in certain threads, but it's not like anyone goes out of their way to put down noobs that are genuinely trying to understand the game.
Last edited:
I'm not going to try to convince you to stay- I don't owe you anything, as this is a free project. I do, however, wish that you would take some time to discuss specifics with the veterans around here. 99% of people that post in the VP subforum do so to help new players.
G
Txurce
Deity
I think he doesn't know how to ask the right questions.
ashendashin
King
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2016
- Messages
- 989
May as well take a stab at this in case you're still willing to read. Just how well were things going for you? What civs were in your game? If you were dominating the World Congress then it's common for the AI to get extremely aggressive. Civs like Ethiopia will often make a bunch of friends and use them against you if you're successful in anything, such as building wonders and having a tech lead. If you have any Declarations of Friendship of your own, not only will your friends ignore your warmongering towards those outside of the DoF chain, they'll be more prone to share aggression towards those who take action against you.
Last edited:
